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originally posted by: SR1TX
originally posted by: nightbringr
originally posted by: SR1TX
Suffering is a construct of the mind.
You chose it, it's not something automatic.
You 'choose' to suffer?
Tell that to those born into warfare, abuse and poverty.
Warfare has been happening since the dawn of man. Do not be troubled that mankind has yet to figure out how to stop doing it.
Abuse - Again, a choice to let happen
Poverty - A choice
The question of the Suffering is one of the biggest unresolved questions in theology. No matter the Church, or even the Religion, it is not explained satisfactory why should we suffer almost all our lives, if we couldn't technically commit so many sins for so short lifespan. Let alone, we start suffering in childhood age when we are still inoocent.
Where is the role of Jesus Christ, when His precious death on the cross covered the original sin and redeemed us for eternal life? If so, why do we see continuation of the sinful nature of baptised persons, regardless of how often they practice the Christian rites? Yes there is ecclesiastical explanation(s) as good as the one with the apple, repeated over and over again thru centuries by the brightest minds of Christian thought.
originally posted by: abeverage
Yet here I sit (According to Abrahamic religions ) being left holding the bag fully in sin and accountable in a "Fallen World" because of our progenitors Adam & Eve...
Not going to argue religion right or wrong or that is because of ______ dogma...
instead I want to ask anyone of their faith have you even considered this?
originally posted by: abeverage
It is ridiculous logic and if your answer is well we cannot know the mind of God yet are created in god's image seriously where does this even make sense?
originally posted by: abeverage
In our lives and laws we are not held responsible for someone else transgressions yet we are for original sin?
Romans 4:4-5 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: Awen24
I agree with that.
But...how one could explain that a child is born with inherited illness without ever having the chance to sin?
That could be transferred to many other people, who in their whole life couldn't do the number and severity of sins corresponding to the punishment they suffer. Even if they'd want it, and many people do not want to commit grave sins, rather live a good christian life.
Sure there are also those whose sins are much bigger and for whom the punishment in this life is not enough and ultimately would deserve the pains of afterlife without God, i.e. the hell. For their salvation the only hope is God's mercy.
But why all of us are required to suffer so much all our life, is beyond my comprehension. That's why I go back to that tree in the garden, that obviously we were not told the whole truth of it.
originally posted by: Nyiah
Kids supposedly haven't sinned yet, but they get smacked with the Loving God hand pretty hard in the health department. Wonderful dude he is to torment children with such horrible diseases & disorders despite doing nothing to earn the suffering yet.
The Lord allowed us to communicate to those Divine Mysteries, and of that holy light, to those who are able to receive them. He did not certainly disclose to the many what did not belong to the many; but to the few to whom He knew that they belonged, who were capable of receiving and being molded according to them. But Secret things are entrusted to speech, not to writing as in the case with God… And to him who is able secretly to observe what is delivered to him, that which is veiled shall be disclosed as truth; and what is hidden to the many shall appear manifest to the few
Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 150-215), Stromata
originally posted by: EasternShadow
Everything is about choice and consequrences. If we don't make choice, then other people will make the choice for us. If a soldier does not kill the enemy in gunshots, then he will be killed by the enemy. Even if the soldier run away to avoid killing, it is still a choice. It doesn't always has to be good choice.
Life is cruel, I know, but it is worthy trade to have the wisdom of god. I'm happy this "original sin" has lead me to know that there is always a choice to be a good person , even if others don't. If Adam did not eat the forbidden fruit aoens ago, we may still be running naked like babies in Eden, pure and innocent but lacking the wisdom to make the right choices...
Being "the image of god" is about making the right choice with responsibility. Otherwise, we are no better than animals or plants.
I hope knowing good and evil will bring happy life to you.
originally posted by: abeverage
Let's see if I remember this fairy story correctly because if I do then it was the Serpent (Satan, The Devil and the myriad of other names this guy got stuck with for daring tell those 2 there might be a different way than Ignorance) The Serpent offered them the choice or at the least informed them there was a choice
originally posted by: abeverage
not god...god said NO...god offered no choice...
originally posted by: abeverage
if they had followed god well then we'd have no experience of wisdom now would we?
originally posted by: abeverage
Of course would we even be here? Or would the world still be a pristine static Eden?
originally posted by: abeverage
Again here lies the rub. The Abrahamic religions twist logic to tell a tale of our origin without sufficient thinking through the equation. Tell us god said NO, but the "evil" serpent said yes therefor instead of staying static in ignorant bliss we fell and well that was all gods plan to begin with...WAIT WHAT?
originally posted by: abeverage
In other words the telling contradicts itself much as 1 + 1 ≠ 3