California has eight of 10 most polluted U.S. cities

a reply to: Phage

Being cold is an issue for me too.

So why is Global Warming such a bad thing again? NM, wrong thread.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Phage

Lolz, wood burning stoves! That's so Alaskan!

a reply to: Phage

There ya go.

Come up and visit sometime. If you live in a large city, your lungs will thank you.

Who blamed it on the Californians. You perhaps confused about what I said about the large cities sharing their air with area's not responsible for it, which is true by the way.

link

The air over Alaska's largest city was looking all too much like Los Angeles on Saturday thanks to the Chinese.

I was not down on Californians, although I sympathize with those who live in over populated area's. Bad air, not enough water, crazy high taxes and all of that. There is a price you pay for living in those places.

a reply to: Swills

You were the one who posted that the biggest reason for pollution being bad in California was Californians. I've just been curious how you thought we should go about it.

Actually seems excessive to me, but I'm just a dumb ol' redneck.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

If you think air population only exists in Cali you'd be naive as hell.

I don't have a plan to reduce Cali's population, I was talking about the world in general but you seem hell bent on them being reduced. What do you propose, a concentration camp of sorts?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Yeah. I guess you can't eliminate wood stoves. Any chance there are ways to reduce their particulate emissions?

Might be a good thing to try to do, since it is apparently dangerous to breath the air there.

Money is the issue and they are putting in place regulations that could force people with no money to do so to buy very expensive stoves.

a reply to: Swills

If you think air population only exists in Cali you'd be naive as hell.

We don't have any air population here. Everybody lives on the ground.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Blaine91555

If you live in a large city, your lungs will thank you.

I don't. The air here only gets bad when there's a southerly blowing and the volcano smoke arrives. It's called vog. I've been trying to get the EPA to do something about Kilauea for years.

Who blamed it on the Californians.

TheRedneck.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Actually, it was vehicles, not people. A large population of people driving is the problem. So if we really wanted to take extreme measures, take away the vehicles, not reduce the people living in Cali.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Blaine91555
Freezing isn't a problem in Anchorage?

We have a fairly strong air current flow from sitting right on the upper Cook Inlet. We also don't have as high a percentage of residents who heat their homes via wood stoves (though many of us do, at least partially). Electricity in Fairbanks is about 25-30% higher per unit than Anchorage and winter lows are easily 50 degrees colder than Anchorage. Natural gas prices in Fairbanks are roughly identical to Anchorage, but again... cold as hell compared to a bit chilly. We rarely see lasting temps under 10 below and our winter highs usually reach at least the teens while Fairbanks sees 40, 50, sometimes nearly 60 below and highs in the negatives are the norm around December and January.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Like I said, naive as hell.

Alabama ranks 12th in air pollution from coal- and oil-fueled power plants

Alabama ranks 12th in the United States with the most air pollution generated from coal- and oil-fired power plants, according to a report released this morning by the Natural Resources Defense Council and Physicians for Social Responsibility.

The states on the "Toxic 20'' list from worst to best are: 1. Ohio, 2. Pennsylvania, 3. Florida, 4. Kentucky, 5. Maryland, 6. Indiana, 7. Michigan, 8. West Virginia, 9. Georgia, 10. North Carolina, 11. South Carolina, 12. Alabama, 13. Texas, 14. Virginia, 15. Tennessee, 16. Missouri, 17. Illinois, 18. Wisconsin, 19. New Hampshire, 20. Iowa.

That's from 2011, so maybe it's gotten better then in your state but I doubt it, especially under Trump.

originally posted by: Indigent
Isn't a chunk of the pollution coming from china?

Scientists found Asian air pollution contributed as much as 65 percent of an increase in Western ozone in recent years

They concluded that the spike in man-made emissions in Asia "is the major driver" of the rise in ozone levels in the western U.S. for both spring and summer in recent decades

www.npr.org...

No, no, NO! It's all our fault! We're to blame. Pay no attention to the smog coming from Asia. It's all the fault of the filthy, greedy, horribly USA.

Don't you pay attention to all the right news sources?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Do you think there would be less pollution with fewer regulations?

I think there would be a lower density of people with less freebies and socialist programs.

You Nailed it! Thanks, you're definitely my favorite mod around here.

a reply to: Phage

Nice, you live in Hawaii? I was born there, Honolulu. One day I will visit my birth land again!

originally posted by: makemap

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: xuenchen

California has some very large populated areas. It would seem obvious that this would be the case.

Not sure what your point is.

None of those cases. If you look at the cars Americans drive compare to what China drive you'll notice a difference. The amount of trucks and outdated engine is the obvious cause. Don't forget about those dam traffic jams.

www.upworthy.com...

You mention the cars Americans drive and link to an article about Beijing banning the number of vehicles on the road for 24 hours. What does one have to with the other?

None of the engines that come in all consumer vehicles in the last 10 years have outdated engines. Did you know that you can buy a Ford F150 pickup with a turbo 4 cylinder? Did you know you can get 28mpg in a Corvette with a high output V8?

I have to admit that California has improved a lot in my lifetime. You should see what it was like around L.A. when I went to college there in the early 1970's. My first visit to size up the place, I stepped off the plane into a yellowish brown, stinky batch of smog you literally could cut with a knife. It was disgusting to be honest. Much better now.

a reply to: Swills

Yeah.
I'm 5th generation here (4th born here). No plans on leaving. I'd like to see Alaska, but not in the winter.

a reply to: Phage

Well they could regulate it and impose fines.

a reply to: Blaine91555

That would just piss Pele off even more.

a reply to: Phage

Yeah. I guess you can't eliminate wood stoves. Any chance there are ways to reduce their particulate emissions?

A reasonable post deserves a reasonable answer.

Yes, there are ways to reduce particulate matter, but all of them are expensive. The very reason people use wood is because it is cheap; making it expensive only leaves people without any source of heat. The best systems simply recycle the heated gases before releasing them, which not only improves heating efficiency, but also allows most of the particulate matter to settle out of the exhaust before it is released. That is actually easy to set up, but once regulations get involved the price goes up because cheaper materials and ingenuity are typically not allowed.

And since everyone thinks regulations are the way to go about improving efficiency, efficiency becomes too expensive to improve.

TheRedneck