Was There a Civilization On Earth Before Humans? article speculates, no evidence

a reply to: trollz

Don't be giving Humanity a pat on the back to soon for the last 100 years technological advancement.

Let's see if we can handle whats on our plate without destroying ourselves in the next 100 years first.

The question stands though, how come there is not evidence of civilization prior to our existence? Where are all the ooparts and fossils?

Maybe we are just looking in the wrong places?

Before humans? No. But humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years according to some artifacts and ruins.

a reply to: Plotus

No wars really, can you prove that
They were tribal and fought amongst themselves often

There is no recorded history about Australian Aboriginals so to say they didn't have wars is very vague
They were not peaceful

a reply to: Raggedyman

Depends on one's definition of peaceful, natures hardly peaceful, promoting survival of the fittest in just about every occasion.

The Australian Aboriginals certainly lived in somewhat harmony with the land in ways we do not in this day of age, as most tribal sociates have done so since long before recorded history began.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yes, mostly the land but not each other

a reply to: andy06shake

Fossilization is the extreme exception, not the norm. A lack of fossils does not, in any way, indicate that certain conditions of life did not exist.

Of course, this starts to fall along the lines of atheism-versus-religion...some find it exceptionally logical that, without absolute proof, something does not exist and never did; others prefer to have faith based on pieced together stories and circumstantial evidence.

I fall somewhere in the between--I find it absolutely possible that advanced civilizations existed and most, if not all traces of their existence were consumed by the earth again, but I only see circumstantial evidence that speaks to that.

originally posted by: ElGoobero
www.theatlantic.com...

article about thought experiment on pre-Human civilization, no evidence, just wondering how to look

So, could researchers find clear evidence that an ancient species built a relatively short-lived industrial civilization long before our own? Perhaps, for example, some early mammal rose briefly to civilization building during the Paleocene epoch about 60 million years ago. There are fossils, of course. But the fraction of life that gets fossilized is always minuscule and varies a lot depending on time and habitat. It would be easy, therefore, to miss an industrial civilization that only lasted 100,000 years—which would be 500 times longer than our industrial civilization has made it so far.

Given that all direct evidence would be long gone after many millions of years, what kinds of evidence might then still exist? The best way to answer this question is to figure out what evidence we’d leave behind if human civilization collapsed at its current stage of development.

considering the effect time has on *everything* can't help but think if there were a previous society, we'd never know.

and of course something might be buried under the ice in Antarctica

No proof here either just speculating...Antarctica is INTACT...flash frozen.....the entire Continent was moved to its current location in hours...not days months or years.It is impossible to hide this fact because unlike other Continents which were hit by Global Continental Displacement Waves and then easily eroded and misshapen... Antarctica was and remained frozen so erosion and weather did not erase the evidence left behind ....we must be forbidden to openly explore this area by TPTB.All belief systems in use today would be superceded by the information Antarctica holds for us.It is melting.The evidence is unavoidable.The time is now for disclosure of the entire Continent.

There are stone structures which can be shown to have evidence of measurable erosion and wear on them that prove civilisations existed long before mainstream academia will concur that any civilisation existed at all.

There are worked metal artifacts pulled from beneath massive coal deposits.

People are departing from the old lies we were all told as kids about the Earths history and about Humanities history.The lock on knowledge the Publishing Industry has held via peer approval processes and other methods is O-V-E-R....people read a lot and they believe what makes most sense to them....in the past this was not an option all you had were published papers and magazines and books and the libraries that held them...meaning we were being held proverbial hostage.....today we have the internet and unfettered publication of EVERYONES PERSPECTIVES....the old knowledge embargo is long over....and with it went the definition OF PROOF which was held in lock by the peer approval process.....so when you see people constantly demanding and harping for PROOF you are really seeing the death spasms of an old outdated process as it is taken apart completely....ATS is FAMOUS for its bastion of PROOF-NUTS who refuse to get with reality and redefine their personal definitions of what proof is....although this group doesn't like it the WORD OF ANOTHER PERSON is now becoming the Gold Standard in terms of what we believe and support...lol...people don't care what the book says anymore...they are ready willing and prepared to WRITE THEIR OWN NEW BOOK ON THE SPOT....lol...this is already a past event.

IMHO there is a massive volume of proof available online if you choose to endorse it I a current 2018 way.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

"I fall somewhere in the between"



Ile certainly entertain the possibility given the fact that the conditions for life to exist on our world has been around far longer than Humanity or the Dinosaurs existence.

Also, we are only just beginning to understand what constitutes life.

That being said if indeed some form of life attained sentience and/or civilization a billion or so years in Earths past on par with our own, one has to wonder why we have not found any evidence of there technology in orbit or even on the moon?

a reply to: Raggedyman

But we, just as the Aboriginals are part of the natural order and no different from any other animal that competes to exist.

So there is no reason really why they should have played nice with one another.

That being said they certainly did not slaughter one another in the same manner as we do today, but all that really alludes to is the fact that we have somewhat perfected and refined the art of war to a higher degree via technology and tools.

Another potential place to look for remnants of a past advanced civilization might be in the debris piles left over from large glacier movements. If they had buildings of some kind, those buildings might have been crushed by the glaciers, but there still might be small fragments left in the debris piles where the leading edges of the glaciers melted.

Technologically advanced society leaves behind extremely durable materials. Far more durable than the bones we find fossilized from throughout Earths history. Our own landfills will still contain recognizable things millions of years from now.

So, where are the examples?

originally posted by: Blaine91555
So, where are the examples?

I suppose that the Earth is a really big place, and a lot of the landscape has changed, with a lot of expensive beachfront property now miles out beneath the sea. Maybe we just haven't found it yet. Won't hurt to look.

The vast majority of all advance life we see today on earth is based on only the last 600 million years. Humans are DNA related to all of it too, plants, animals, fish, insects alike, so one can speculate what the other 4 billion years had and that is hard to do. It is estimated that life started very early in earth's history, so who knows, but one thing we do know is Humans are the first to go to the moon...

Since all life today is so closely related that speculation could be very wide range as to life prior to snowball earth and other total life resets.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Humans are allegedly the first to go to the moon.

I can't speak to the statement's validity, I've never dug through meters of regolith, nor have I been there.

I reserve opinion.

Our moon is quite an anomaly, compared to other moons.

It has behavior I would expect from a large artificial construction. Tidal locked orbit, energy absorption index unlike other natural moons in our system, high charge differential on the surface, creating a "static cling" effect for regolith, helium-3 production via seemingly natural occurrence, etc...

It's quite an incredible gem. I've always wanted to measure charge differential between the light and dark sides of the moon, as well as the face and back of the moon.

If there is something more than rock and dust inside of the moon, measuring those charge differentials will let us know.

I genuinely wonder of the efficacy for deep underground inhabitation of such a body. Having dust cling evenly, with a static charge differential, would be a great method for camouflage. You could even control local fields to maintain the appearance of craters and mountains, regardless of the actual shape beneath.

Trapping helium in fullerenes, while snapping off the third free atom in He3 would probably provide wonderful energy output, and could be done with just a supply of carbon and solar energy.

If it's not the case, I don't see how it would be hard, to make it so.

Maybe instead of imagining a giant generational space ship to escape our doom, we should just analyze this wonderful "natural lifeboat" we have.

Can we use the moon as our hull, and make it the ship we need?

All that lovely energy, that stable orbit, and that close proximity. It would at least be in my big file cabinet of ideas, were I JPL.

a reply to: Blue Shift

I don't discount it out of hand, but it's pretty unlikely that we would not have found proof by now.

An advanced civilization would most certainly leave behind evidence.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I'm thinking an advanced society would leave some trace also.

Unless of course, their level of technology was beyond our comprehension or ability to detect.

Meaning they possibly had reasons and/or the ability to shield it from others to come.

Or even if were biological then it may have degraded over the millennia naturally to the point where there is nothing left to find.

Then again it simply may not be possible for civilizations to construct anything that can withstand the rigors of time.

Unless of course its below miles of ice within Antarctica. Or under thousands of feet of water covered in silt in the middle of the ocean.

Playing devils advocate here.

If something "external" decided to swing on by and shape early humanity. Maybe they had strict laws to not leave behind any technology that could potential advance what ever was here too quick. Maybe they got to a point where agriculture, math, and the basis of organized civilization started to form. Then they left. Taking with them all the tools they used to jump start whom ever was here.

Its all speculation. Time will tell. Either way.

originally posted by: Triton1128
Unless of course its below miles of ice within Antarctica. Or under thousands of feet of water covered in silt in the middle of the ocean.

Playing devils advocate here.

If something "external" decided to swing on by and shape early humanity. Maybe they had strict laws to not leave behind any technology that could potential advance what ever was here too quick. Maybe they got to a point where agriculture, math, and the basis of organized civilization started to form. Then they left. Taking with them all the tools they used to jump start whom ever was here.

Its all speculation. Time will tell. Either way.

Just tossing softballs here.....maybe every 3657 years the earth experiences Global Continental Shifts accompanied by Global Continental Displacement Waves which re-shape and reform the planet.Maybe during some of these cycles Humanity is led by HONESTY and CO-OPERATION and in those cases Humanity as a WHOLE GRADUATES out into the Universe before they are wiped back to the stoneage by GCDWs... not intending to return.Maybe they don't plan on returning because this is a dangerous planet to live on that is unstable because of said cyclical event.Maybe after re-establishing THEIR version of Humanity off-Earth...they RETURN ....of course they return to an Earth that may very well have NO humans alive on it...or....it may have ANOTHER VERSION of humanity slowly plugging away ...unaware of the monster coming every 3657 years....or an Earth where conflict and greed have ensured only a SELECT FEW SECRET SOCIETIES have knowledge of the coming changes but keep it to themselves to preserve leadership potentials on Earth hoping to rule the next cycle of 3657 years....maybe 2021 is the next arrival date and we don't have long at all to wait to see what will happen....maybe some versions of Humanity we call Aliens come BACK before the cycle ends and collect human DNA from their ancestors in case they are totally wiped by ELE GCDWs... and possibly these relatives teach those they take then return what the real truth is about these cycles and our true potential as a cycle of the human species ....like I said....just waxing poetic here no evidence just speculation.

a reply to: Triton1128

They would not even have to land to shape early humanity. They could simply disperse a virological or mutagenic agent into our atmosphere from orbit and influence/edit the evolutionary cycles of the species on the planet below.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
An advanced civilization would most certainly leave behind evidence.

Of course. That's pretty much how we define a civilization to begin with. A group of people who organize to substantially modify their environment for their own benefit. Farming, rerouting water, building stuff, etc. And it would be weird if they just jumped from hunter-gathering to refining metals and manufacturing interchangeable machine parts or computers, because that's not the way we did it. Cool, but weird.