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Gorsuch Sides with Liberals on Immigration Law

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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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The Supreme Court may have dealt a blow to efforts by the DOJ to step up deportation of immigrants. Not illegal immigrants, legal immigrants. The court struck down federal law which specifies mandatory deportation for conviction for some "crimes of violence.


As expected after the oral argument, Justice Neil Gorsuch joined with the more liberal justices for the first time since joining the court to produce a 5-4 majority invalidating the federal statute. In doing so, Gorsuch was continuing the jurisprudence of Justice Antonin Scalia, who also sided with liberals when it came to the vagueness of statutes used to convict criminal defendants.

www.cnn.com...




posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: Phage

They need to reword the law to be less vague. Coming here legally still means you have to follow the law.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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Seems reasonable to me.


"In the end, the court made the right decision in recognizing that, if it takes you more than three minutes to explain legally why someone committed a deportable offense, it is probably not fair to treat them as an aggravated felon with no possible avenue for relief from removal," Fresco said.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Sticking with Scalia's values deserves a
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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Zarniwoop

I agree. I also believe this person should be deported. I just asked my wife, she's an actual Filipina, green card holding non citizen. She thinks the guy should be deported.

The law needs to be reworded for sure though.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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Let's just hope neil is not allergic to pillows.

That was the official story as far as i know.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04




They need to reword the law to be less vague. Coming here legally still means you have to follow the law.


Yes, but if/when you DO break the law we don't (shouldn't) kick them out... as it should be, unless you are ok with Exile of all americans if they break the law.

If you are here legally, you deserve equal protection under law.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

The law should be rewritten so as not to be vague.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: grey580

Hate?



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: smkymcnugget420

No, if you are a US citizen you go to jail, if you aren't you go home. I have no idea what equal protection you talk about.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The usual sequence is more like:
1) Court
2) Conviction (or not)
3) Prison term (or not)
4) Deportation (or not)



I have no idea what equal protection you talk about.
I think that would be this:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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Can we deport mexican criminals?

People who committed mexican crimes?

Do they have crimes in mexico or do they all wait till they get here to be arrested?

So do mexican criminals get to roam free in the usa?

Can we send anyone at all back to mexico?



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

oh ok, wait a sec...i thought this was for immigrants that then became citizens, got arrested, and were going to be deported. which would be messed up, as they are citizens now.

i re-read the article and see now this applies to "lawful permanent resident" a non-citizen status.

my mistake, carry on.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: smkymcnugget420

No problem. Once they are citizens I agree with you though.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Yes, citizens. Immigrants aren't citizens. Citizens can't be deported, immigrants who are green card holding non citizens can.

Nothing is being denied is my point, he admitted he thought this person was a citizen, no harm no foul.
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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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This a good move. I'm amazed that this existed in the first place.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: smkymcnugget420

No problem. Once they are citizens I agree with you though.


I'm not American, so excuse my ignorance, but doesn't "lawful permanent residents" imply they are a citizen?



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: smkymcnugget420

No problem. Once they are citizens I agree with you though.


but doesn't "lawful permanent residents" imply they are a citizen?


No.

Permanent Resident
edit on 17-4-2018 by Liquesence because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: smkymcnugget420

No problem. Once they are citizens I agree with you though.


but doesn't "lawful permanent residents" imply they are a citizen?


No.

Permanent Resident


Thank you kindly.



posted on Apr, 18 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I'm never a fan of mandatory sentencing--it always has the potential to be both abused and unjust.

This seems to be a good decision.




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