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originally posted by: Cygnis
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Cygnis
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Cygnis
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Wayfarer
This is merely you're opinion, and actually doesn't make it fact. The manner in which you can equate your complete lack of judicial expertese to make an assertion like that belies the truth of your assertion: That you are saying what you really wish was the case, not what actually is.
But I'm open minded. Throw it on me, how is he in bed with Russia? Give me more than nixing a round of sanctions for an action we haven't gotten evidence on.
If you are truly open minded then simply wait for Mueller's investigation to give its report. Its that simple.
Interesting.. When on a witch hunt, one can always find a witch.
Mueller is an interesting critter, however, I trust him about as much as I trust Comey, or anyone else with ties to a bunch of other government people.. Back-scratching abounds.
Sounds like you've bought the Trump propaganda (which is suspicious inasmuch as his modus operandi has been to de-legitimize Mueller's investigation because he's just so 'innocent'). I take it you've already made up your mind and no matter what Mueller's report states you won't believe it if its critical of Trump in any way.....
Very telling you to assume I've bought into anything, or anyone and drunk their kool-aid.....
Your previous response to me referencing 'Witch Hunt' is evidence that you are already viewing the Mueller investigation from a biased perspective. It can't really be any more clear than that.
Because there will be more after what Mueller finds, additional calls of collusion regarding his investigation, more sub-plots, and turn about. It's literally like a spin-off of the main soap-opera with a sub-plot and will go on for years and amount to a pile of "He said", "She wrote", "They thought", "Documents show". and on and on and on..
If you can't be unbiased, how can you expect Mueller to be unbiased as well?
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Wayfarer
This thread was not meant to be a pro Trump thread. Personally, I'm not thrilled with recent action in Syria, nor do I see any point in antagonizing Russia.
Cool, so if it comes out and parties are at guilt we'll deal with it.
The literal point of the article and this thread is we shouldn't speak in absolutes before it comes out to drive foreign policy.
But as it stands, it doesn't look like Trump is Putins puppet, the title of the thread.
So what are you arguing?
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Wayfarer
This is merely you're opinion, and actually doesn't make it fact. The manner in which you can equate your complete lack of judicial expertese to make an assertion like that belies the truth of your assertion: That you are saying what you really wish was the case, not what actually is.
But I'm open minded. Throw it on me, how is he in bed with Russia? Give me more than nixing a round of sanctions for an action we haven't gotten evidence on.
If you are truly open minded then simply wait for Mueller's investigation to give its report. Its that simple.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Cygnis
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Cygnis
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Cygnis
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Wayfarer
This is merely you're opinion, and actually doesn't make it fact. The manner in which you can equate your complete lack of judicial expertese to make an assertion like that belies the truth of your assertion: That you are saying what you really wish was the case, not what actually is.
But I'm open minded. Throw it on me, how is he in bed with Russia? Give me more than nixing a round of sanctions for an action we haven't gotten evidence on.
If you are truly open minded then simply wait for Mueller's investigation to give its report. Its that simple.
Interesting.. When on a witch hunt, one can always find a witch.
Mueller is an interesting critter, however, I trust him about as much as I trust Comey, or anyone else with ties to a bunch of other government people.. Back-scratching abounds.
Sounds like you've bought the Trump propaganda (which is suspicious inasmuch as his modus operandi has been to de-legitimize Mueller's investigation because he's just so 'innocent'). I take it you've already made up your mind and no matter what Mueller's report states you won't believe it if its critical of Trump in any way.....
Very telling you to assume I've bought into anything, or anyone and drunk their kool-aid.....
Your previous response to me referencing 'Witch Hunt' is evidence that you are already viewing the Mueller investigation from a biased perspective. It can't really be any more clear than that.
Because there will be more after what Mueller finds, additional calls of collusion regarding his investigation, more sub-plots, and turn about. It's literally like a spin-off of the main soap-opera with a sub-plot and will go on for years and amount to a pile of "He said", "She wrote", "They thought", "Documents show". and on and on and on..
If you can't be unbiased, how can you expect Mueller to be unbiased as well?
I haven't said I was unbiased, though I endeavor to be. I have mentioned many times on this forum before that I plan on accepting whatever Mueller's findings are.
Your assumptions of what will happen after his report are released though are further proof of how you view the situation from an already tainted expectation. I would recommend adopting a more dispassionate scientific approach rather than to let your emotions (and their corresponding effects) further taint the objective assessment you are capable of making.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Wayfarer
This is merely you're opinion, and actually doesn't make it fact. The manner in which you can equate your complete lack of judicial expertese to make an assertion like that belies the truth of your assertion: That you are saying what you really wish was the case, not what actually is.
But I'm open minded. Throw it on me, how is he in bed with Russia? Give me more than nixing a round of sanctions for an action we haven't gotten evidence on.
If you are truly open minded then simply wait for Mueller's investigation to give its report. Its that simple.
out of curiosity, what are the other options on this? Do we as individuals have the power to do anything at all dealing with Muller's investigation?
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Wayfarer
Your quoted statement isn't from me.
I'm aware, it was from the OP which I still assume you haven't read fully, so I added that so you could see it
originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: CriticalStinker
come on now, you know putin got into a few of our voting systems. and, the electrical grid.
bless his heart - he probably didn't mean to, tho.
January 5-6, 2017 - Intelligence officials meet separately with Obama and Trump to present the results of their probe into cyber espionage during the presidential campaign. After the president and the president-elect are briefed, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence releases a declassified version of its classified report on Russian meddling. According to the report, hackers did not breach voting machines or computers that tallied election results but Russians meddled in other ways. Putin ordered a multifaceted influence campaign that included spreading pro-Trump propaganda online and hacking the DNC and Podesta. Bracing for a possible Clinton win, Russian bloggers were prepared to promote a hashtag #DemocracyRIP on election night. Paid social media users, aka "trolls," shared stories about Clinton controversies to create a cloud of scandal around her campaign.
17 Russians posting on Facebook overpowered hundreds of millions of dollars from Hillary and the msm nearly entirely supporting her.
How about using a kremlin sourced dossier to spy on people in trumps team? Nothing to see there, only trumps team Russians can’t mnections are worth investigating
But sure, I guess that’s messing. Unfortunately, that sort of meddling by Russians and many other countries has been occurring for decades.
And Obama knew this, yet laughed off Russia being a concern.
As Greenwald clearly lays out in the article, trump has been harder on Russia than obama was. So tell me, where we’re the cries from everyone screaming about Russians to look in to Russian connections to Hillary and obama?
In that case my response to your previous query would be that the title of the thread, which intimates a conclusive assessment, is in fact anything but, and to make or support such a statement implies a severe bias: one that involves arriving at a conclusion before either all the evidence has been presented, or through a lack of expertise on the subject entirely.
originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: rickymouse
putin didn't meddle in our election of obama or bush, so of course trump should be tuffer!
but, NOT implementing proper sanctions isn't tuff at all, it's weak.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Grambler
How dare you mention Uranium One! US intervention in Syria began in 2012 while Clinton was SOS, therefore your narrative is dead. I mean, that's the standard right? Lmao.
The Uranium One thing is a joke. I look forward to the results of any investigations.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
Obama never bombed Assad or his military assets: a decision which, to this day, is scorned across official Washington. Hillary Clinton blasted Obama’s refusal to do more to stop Assad, and in 2017, she actively encouraged Donald Trump to bomb Assad and take out his air force.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Grambler
That's just disingenuous. 17 Russians posting on Facebook? The IRA employed hundreds of people. 17 people were charged. Mueller didn't charge the rank and file trolls.