inconvienent facts

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: network dude

I tried to not make the mistake of denying climate change, or even suggesting that it's not a real thing.

Where'd you get the idea for the thread title?

at least now I know what made you so triggered.

I'm in the mosquito killing business, and when it's cold, there just aren't many mosquitoes, so I don't get to kill like I want to. When climate change makes it's way to the patch of cold your previous post showed existed, and things warm up, I'll be happier knowing that I can kill indiscriminately.

Again, I am super sorry I mentioned the "c" word.

Some are going to hang on to the AGW scam to the bitter(ly cold) end.

But only because scientists are telling us it's real. I mean I have discussions and arguments and questions. But just like with evolution, vaccines, Gravity, the moon landing...I can't prove any of those, but I believe scientists.

Serious question, what do you say to that? Like counter my arguement...am I totally wrong to believe scientists? And am I wrong to through gravity, evolution and the moon landing in with global warming?

Point of order:

Climate is real.

Climate change happens.

What is up for debate and analysis is how much man is affecting the climate.

When that debate is whether it's 95% human-caused vs. 100% human-caused, it's disingenuous to frame it as if the debate is human-caused or not.

so without humans, the Earth would be back to a ball of ice, or would it just be the perfect temp? And can you show where you got the numbers from please? I've been looking for the amount Man is responsible for all this since I first learned about it.

a reply to: network dude

Somewhere between 50% & 150% apparently.

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: ScepticScot

Ah, so maybe a little, maybe a lot. nice.

originally posted by: network dude
I am not here to be a "denier", or whatever other label needs to be attributed to me for voicing my opinion based on facts. I am just offering a perspective based on my reality. February was very warm. Unusually warm. But March and April have been uncharacteristically cold.
www.accuweather.com...

Yet, when I hear the news report on "weather", I hear this year has been the hottest on record yet again.
www.usatoday.com...

I understand that not everywhere is the same, but it sure seems that for shock value, all the cold areas are ignored, in favor of blasting the media with WARMING news. I feel like it's dishonest and not explaining the facts is misrepresenting the truth. Is there some prize for converting believers? is there a quota that needs to be met?

It's not hot everywhere, and we might all still survive the Apocalypse.

Many people make this mistake.
Weather and climate are cousins. Not twins.
You're describing the weather this past winter.
Climate is prolonged conditions. Weather is seasonal.

Example...California's climate is desert but in the winter it's very rainy causing mudslides.
Rain is the weather. Desert is the c!imate.

a reply to: Sillyolme

actually, I was describing weather this spring, and yes, I am fully aware of the difference between weather and climate. If you grasped the message, I was simply irritated by the lack of acknowledgment of cold snaps, since it doesn't fit the narrative. None of that negates climate change. It's an observation I personally noticed, and it may well be wrong. But it's kind of amazing the number of people who let their knee jerk reactions drive them past understanding the OP.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: network dude

I tried to not make the mistake of denying climate change, or even suggesting that it's not a real thing.

Where'd you get the idea for the thread title?

at least now I know what made you so triggered.

I'm in the mosquito killing business, and when it's cold, there just aren't many mosquitoes, so I don't get to kill like I want to. When climate change makes it's way to the patch of cold your previous post showed existed, and things warm up, I'll be happier knowing that I can kill indiscriminately.

Again, I am super sorry I mentioned the "c" word.

Some are going to hang on to the AGW scam to the bitter(ly cold) end.

But only because scientists are telling us it's real. I mean I have discussions and arguments and questions. But just like with evolution, vaccines, Gravity, the moon landing...I can't prove any of those, but I believe scientists.

Serious question, what do you say to that? Like counter my arguement...am I totally wrong to believe scientists? And am I wrong to through gravity, evolution and the moon landing in with global warming?

Point of order:

Climate is real.

Climate change happens.

What is up for debate and analysis is how much man is affecting the climate.

But that's where the scientists come in. They tell us that the globe is warming and that man's pollution is a huge part of it. So don't believe them?

Question them.

I do. Still seems legit.

a reply to: network dude

You are confusing WEATHER with CLIMATE

originally posted by: intrepid
One or two seasons are not a good basis for looking for trends. Years are needed.

But then they couldn't twist the narrative. Simple cycles become AGW, balderdash.

We have proof of many cycles and they are trying to do like Hitler's men and repeat a lie so more people will believe the lie!!!

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
I am not here to be a "denier", or whatever other label needs to be attributed to me for voicing my opinion based on facts. I am just offering a perspective based on my reality. February was very warm. Unusually warm. But March and April have been uncharacteristically cold.
www.accuweather.com...

Yet, when I hear the news report on "weather", I hear this year has been the hottest on record yet again.
www.usatoday.com...

I understand that not everywhere is the same, but it sure seems that for shock value, all the cold areas are ignored, in favor of blasting the media with WARMING news. I feel like it's dishonest and not explaining the facts is misrepresenting the truth. Is there some prize for converting believers? is there a quota that needs to be met?

It's not hot everywhere, and we might all still survive the Apocalypse.

One is weather in one place. The other is global average.

You even even acknowledge this in your post.

No scientist or reputable commentator claims that global warming means its always hotter everywhere.

So what is it you expect exactly?

They are manipulating the numbers, called it 'adjusting'. I have several threads on what is happening and one idea is the poles have moved and the weather pattern follows Magnetic pole positions.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Has anyone tracked the movement of the North Pole showing how the weather would change accordingly? Based on what I've seen on the 'tracking' images, it's moved a fair bit, enough to make a decent amount of changes over the last 100 years.

For me, that seems like it would certainly change weather/temperature around the globe.

A few thoughts for what it is, magnetic reversal

magneticreversal.org...



A thread I have that explores AGW theory with hard evidence referenced in the article I linked:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Phage

I'm not making the claim, OP did. If it's being said it's stupid. I recall in February lots of news of record high and a warming world, and stupid comments on the news like 'winter, what winter?'

It is colder in Britain and on the E Coast of the US and Warmer other places. Still the overall data is well unreliable for trends when it goes up or down on average so very little. I do statistics and have shown my work with Phage several times and he can't beat the facts about it but does his best to do just that. % error tests used for statistics don't support the Confidence limit of the data.

Confidence in the data is the most important fact when deciding whether to act upon the data.
Tweaking the data and lying left and right about things sure hurt the credibility let alone my confidence in the data's accuracy that 'proves it's man, man'!

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

Insults? Ok. I'm out. I have better things to do then talk to you pretending like you are smarter than the people you are talking to.

Not smart to take your ball and go home you lose your voice.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: network dude
I am not here to be a "denier", or whatever other label needs to be attributed to me for voicing my opinion based on facts. I am just offering a perspective based on my reality. February was very warm. Unusually warm. But March and April have been uncharacteristically cold.
www.accuweather.com...

Yet, when I hear the news report on "weather", I hear this year has been the hottest on record yet again.
www.usatoday.com...

I understand that not everywhere is the same, but it sure seems that for shock value, all the cold areas are ignored, in favor of blasting the media with WARMING news. I feel like it's dishonest and not explaining the facts is misrepresenting the truth. Is there some prize for converting believers? is there a quota that needs to be met?

It's not hot everywhere, and we might all still survive the Apocalypse.

You got a point. In this vein...Vegas get's hotter every year. We've had a fairly cold April, but overall we keep getting hotter. You and I could argue about global warming based on our locations...I'm in Vegas, so of course I'll be hot, but we need to realize that global temperatures are based off of everything from every location to Ocean temps etc.

So you didn't read the posts we have made showing the skewed location of the monitors? OR do you pretend to not understand locations bringing bias that is not being tweaked out like the temps from the 1930's had to be to make it less hot than it was and declare hottest year ever BS?

Easy to digest here
www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: network dude
I am not here to be a "denier", or whatever other label needs to be attributed to me for voicing my opinion based on facts. I am just offering a perspective based on my reality. February was very warm. Unusually warm. But March and April have been uncharacteristically cold.
www.accuweather.com...

Yet, when I hear the news report on "weather", I hear this year has been the hottest on record yet again.
www.usatoday.com...

I understand that not everywhere is the same, but it sure seems that for shock value, all the cold areas are ignored, in favor of blasting the media with WARMING news. I feel like it's dishonest and not explaining the facts is misrepresenting the truth. Is there some prize for converting believers? is there a quota that needs to be met?

It's not hot everywhere, and we might all still survive the Apocalypse.

You got a point. In this vein...Vegas get's hotter every year. We've had a fairly cold April, but overall we keep getting hotter. You and I could argue about global warming based on our locations...I'm in Vegas, so of course I'll be hot, but we need to realize that global temperatures are based off of everything from every location to Ocean temps etc.

So you didn't read the posts we have made showing the skewed location of the monitors? OR do you pretend to not understand locations bringing bias that is not being tweaked out like the temps from the 1930's had to be to make it less hot than it was and declare hottest year ever BS?

Easy to digest here
www.youtube.com...

So let's say all the monitors are skewed and there is bias and they tweaked out the temps from the 1930s.

Does that mean that every scientist studying the climate...past and present...those studying ice core samples, weather patterns etc. Are they all in on this or are they all incompetent?


That's what your asking me to think about.

They can't all be incompetent. and they can't all be in on some conspiracy.

Then there is this..

recent study conducted by scientists at NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information found no evidence that the U.S. temperature trend is inflated by poor siting of stations that comprise the US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN).


and this on adjustments.

Stations have moved to different locations over the past 150 years, most more than once. They have changed instruments from mercury thermometers to electronic sensors, and have changed the time they take temperature measurements from afternoon to morning. Cities have grown up around stations, and some weather stations are not ideally located. All of these issues introduce inconsistencies into the temperature record.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: network dude

I tried to not make the mistake of denying climate change, or even suggesting that it's not a real thing.

Where'd you get the idea for the thread title?

at least now I know what made you so triggered.

I'm in the mosquito killing business, and when it's cold, there just aren't many mosquitoes, so I don't get to kill like I want to. When climate change makes it's way to the patch of cold your previous post showed existed, and things warm up, I'll be happier knowing that I can kill indiscriminately.

Again, I am super sorry I mentioned the "c" word.

Some are going to hang on to the AGW scam to the bitter(ly cold) end.

Challenge for you:

If you think you are right, and that AGW is a scam, please explain why, through physics, we are not causing warming.

Or run away and don't answer.

Your choice.

..or given it's a theory YOU believe, please explain why and show evidence.
Whilst you're at it, please show your workings and how you have disproven the null hypothesis.

Note : 'Science says' is not a valid argument.

My explanation of why I believe AGW is a scam is simple, valid and reasonable - no one has proven AGW is going to cause the kind of catastrophe we are told it will ...AND the predictions from the models have turned out incorrect.

Remember - show your workings...

I have explained the basics repeatedly.

What's your null hypothesis - no change? CO2 doesn't cause warming? Man isn't emitting CO2? Elaborate.

Pretty much CO2 is a little like 20 times below the average of the Earth before 'man was civilized and started being a virus on the Earth' philosophy. Now go figure how we are affecting the Earths warmth again and you see it is very, very little.

We harm our habitat and the Earth swallows it up later and recycles even the rocks. We are Lilliputians with arrogant genes and greedy crooks stuffing their pockets on both sides of the equation. They are always looking for schemes to take for false causes from we who are their marks and pawns.

Honestly look at magma getting near the surface and the magnetic pole shift and see if that doesn't make sense. The water molecules will align with magnetic fields. Test it by taking and old nylon/plastic comb and put it near a running faucet. The water bends away from the comb before getting close enough to touch the stream. It isn't strong enough to prevent it but is a subtle way to prove the molecules are reacting to the combs electric charge.

Ok, this is hard for most but it is simple.

From year to year for about a decade the sun rises and sets in significantly different places in comparison. So much so that the info for where to point a solar panel in small energizing devices is wrong. If you point a solar panel south for summer months you miss about 30% of the days sunlight because the sun is so far north most of the day.

What does this mean? Imo, we are wobbling on our axis and magnetic north is changing and the jetstream and gulf streams are effected creating weather and animal anomalies

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: network dude
I am not here to be a "denier", or whatever other label needs to be attributed to me for voicing my opinion based on facts. I am just offering a perspective based on my reality. February was very warm. Unusually warm. But March and April have been uncharacteristically cold.
www.accuweather.com...

Yet, when I hear the news report on "weather", I hear this year has been the hottest on record yet again.
www.usatoday.com...

I understand that not everywhere is the same, but it sure seems that for shock value, all the cold areas are ignored, in favor of blasting the media with WARMING news. I feel like it's dishonest and not explaining the facts is misrepresenting the truth. Is there some prize for converting believers? is there a quota that needs to be met?

It's not hot everywhere, and we might all still survive the Apocalypse.

You got a point. In this vein...Vegas get's hotter every year. We've had a fairly cold April, but overall we keep getting hotter. You and I could argue about global warming based on our locations...I'm in Vegas, so of course I'll be hot, but we need to realize that global temperatures are based off of everything from every location to Ocean temps etc.

So you didn't read the posts we have made showing the skewed location of the monitors? OR do you pretend to not understand locations bringing bias that is not being tweaked out like the temps from the 1930's had to be to make it less hot than it was and declare hottest year ever BS?

Easy to digest here
www.youtube.com...

That is bs. The vegas temperature is and has been getting cooler and the months for different seasons are changing.
For instance. 20 years ago the Santa Anna winds would come through vegas twice a year every year like clockwork in early spring and late fall. Now they never happen, EVER.
It used to be common to see temps in summer in the high 120* and now it almost never gets above 120* . And winter this year started just 2 months ago. As this year progresses watch how far north it is mid summer. At midday the sun will cast a shadow to the south. That is crazy imo.

edit: justoneman i was replying to the post you were replying to, not your post. It looks like you and I seee eye to eye, aye?

a reply to: bulwarkz

It used to be common to see temps in summer in the high 120* and now it almost never gets above 120*

Are you sure about that?
www.usnews.com...

At midday the sun will cast a shadow to the south. That is crazy imo.

No it won't.

originally posted by: bulwarkz

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: network dude
I am not here to be a "denier", or whatever other label needs to be attributed to me for voicing my opinion based on facts. I am just offering a perspective based on my reality. February was very warm. Unusually warm. But March and April have been uncharacteristically cold.
www.accuweather.com...

Yet, when I hear the news report on "weather", I hear this year has been the hottest on record yet again.
www.usatoday.com...

I understand that not everywhere is the same, but it sure seems that for shock value, all the cold areas are ignored, in favor of blasting the media with WARMING news. I feel like it's dishonest and not explaining the facts is misrepresenting the truth. Is there some prize for converting believers? is there a quota that needs to be met?

It's not hot everywhere, and we might all still survive the Apocalypse.

You got a point. In this vein...Vegas get's hotter every year. We've had a fairly cold April, but overall we keep getting hotter. You and I could argue about global warming based on our locations...I'm in Vegas, so of course I'll be hot, but we need to realize that global temperatures are based off of everything from every location to Ocean temps etc.

So you didn't read the posts we have made showing the skewed location of the monitors? OR do you pretend to not understand locations bringing bias that is not being tweaked out like the temps from the 1930's had to be to make it less hot than it was and declare hottest year ever BS?

Easy to digest here
www.youtube.com...

That is bs. The vegas temperature is and has been getting cooler and the months for different seasons are changing.
For instance. 20 years ago the Santa Anna winds would come through vegas twice a year every year like clockwork in early spring and late fall. Now they never happen, EVER.
It used to be common to see temps in summer in the high 120* and now it almost never gets above 120* . And winter this year started just 2 months ago. As this year progresses watch how far north it is mid summer. At midday the sun will cast a shadow to the south. That is crazy imo.

edit: justoneman i was replying to the post you were replying to, not your post. It looks like you and I seee eye to eye, aye?

I'm just saying that Vegas get's hotter every year. I've lived here on and off for over 20 years. I have first hand experience. There will be some anomalies etc, but over alll this place is heating up. I'm not staying around too much longer.