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originally posted by: Thejoncrichton
originally posted by: introvert
Either you are blind or dishonest.
We have heard similar, if not worse, things about Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, etc, for many years.
I'd say most likely you are being dishonest. That seems to be the going trend on ATS these days.
You're being dishonest about the difference in the reach of these claims. On the right you have one network and some AM radio. On the left you have the power of Hollywood, the MSM and even tax payer funded radio.
originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t
You keep saying nuance but I don't think you know what that means, as I've gone into nothing nuanced. I clarified who trump wanted to Jail, slanderers. Not journalists. The fact that you think slander is some nuanced part of journalism is a sad indictment of our press.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I'm sorry but I don't believe you. You let the op's idiocy slide (hell you are the third post in the thread) but were SUPER quick to question my post halfway down the thread. Your intentions are clear.
originally posted by: MiddleInsite
a reply to: Dfairlite
1. The left has always believed in boycotts. Nothing new. And boycotts ARE freedom of speech.
2. Joy Behar doesn't speak for the left, she speaks for herself.
3. There was an assault weapons ban from 1994 till 2004. Not a new concept.
4. And Cohen had due process and a warrant was issued. All legal.
And really, are you all that concerned about us liberals? Or is this just another thread to b!tch about the left?
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Trump will go down as the most corrupt person to ever grace the White House.
originally posted by: rexsblues
originally posted by: LordAhriman
The "right" only cares about one amendment.
Because it's the last line of defense for all the others.
Democrats and establishment liberals are center right wingers on a global and political science scale. They support right wing economics, not left.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: Painterz
There is no 'left' in American politics.
If people use that term to describe themselves and/or another group, and we all agree...then yes there is.
Thats how language works. In real life, not on the blackboard of philosophy.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
If “the left”—so much as that term means anything anymore—and those who seem to defend that word, would find some principles, promote and defend their principles away from the relativism and post-modernism they are accustomed to, the entirety of the political spectrum would be healthier.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
If “the left”—so much as that term means anything anymore—and those who seem to defend that word, would find some principles, promote and defend their principles away from the relativism and post-modernism they are accustomed to, the entirety of the political spectrum would be healthier.
The same could be said about "the right".
I think the bigger problem is not about Left or Right. It's about honesty.
If we were honest in our conversations and how we receive information, we would have much more productive outcomes.
If we were honest, we would not read disingenuous posts such as yours that do nothing more than perpetuate ignorance.
The Joy Behars of the world may not represent all liberals, but they do have a following. Her words do influence others, sad as that may be. When a civil suit is filed against a school or a town for the word God or a nativity scene at Christmas it is a liberal who is behind it. I have honestly never heard of a conservative filing such an action. If I am wrong please let me know, it is something I would like to address if it is indeed true.
In regards to the second amendment, I truly do disagree with you. You make note of the difference between the Democrat and the average liberal walking down the street in Anytown, USA. I agree with that. However, when its time to vote that average liberal strikes the DNC canvas hard and fast. They talk about assault weapons but the text of the bill is simply semi auto rifles - the mainstay of the shooting world. This is no accident. It is an intentional misrepresentation of intent that uninformed people believe. I still find people who think AR stands for assault rifle.
In one significant respect I believe in the end it is much the same for liberals and conservatives: we vote with the party that most closely represents our views even if we don't necessarily like the candidate or the entire platform. I don't think Trump should be president. But I prefer him to hillary a thousand times over. Its sad that all this really boils down to a choice of our best estimation of what the lesser of the two evils will be.
I respect your opinion mate. Well said as always. But on at least a bit I must disagree this time.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
If “the left”—so much as that term means anything anymore—and those who seem to defend that word, would find some principles, promote and defend their principles away from the relativism and post-modernism they are accustomed to, the entirety of the political spectrum would be healthier.
The same could be said about "the right".
I think the bigger problem is not about Left or Right. It's about honesty.
If we were honest in our conversations and how we receive information, we would have much more productive outcomes.
If we were honest, we would not read disingenuous posts such as yours that do nothing more than perpetuate ignorance.
Is that a principle I see in the midst of that post-modernist mosh mash? No, it’s just a fake principle, wielded haphazardly and only to seek advantage over your enemies, after which it is thrown back to the winds of your power-hunger and feelings.