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What happened to the left?

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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:12 AM
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They've completely stopped caring about amendments 1-6 (sans 3, for now). How did this happen?

1) They advocate for suppression of speech (see boycotts of any and all conservatives they put in their cross hairs) (1st amendment)
2) They would love to criminalize religion (they view it as a mental illness, see joy behar) (1st amendment)
3) They introduced a bill that would ban all semi-automatic center-fire rifles (HR5087) (2nd amendment)
4) They cheer on the unreasonable search and siezure of ALL cohen's communications (even when things unrelated, leak) (4th amendment)
5) Which opens the door to self incrimination of his clients (5th amendment)
6) And they revel in the dismantling of the right to counsel (6th amendment)

All because of Trump? Really? I don't believe it, but what I do believe is that it's all due to a media run by propagandists who have perfected the art of manipulating the emotions of a sizable portion of the left.
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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:19 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

1. The left has always believed in boycotts. Nothing new. And boycotts ARE freedom of speech.

2. Joy Behar doesn't speak for the left, she speaks for herself.

3. There was an assault weapons ban from 1994 till 2004. Not a new concept.

4. And Cohen had due process and a warrant was issued. All legal.

And really, are you all that concerned about us liberals? Or is this just another thread to b!tch about the left?
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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:29 AM
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a reply to: MiddleInsite

Assault weapons ban has little to do with banning centerfire semiautomatic rifles



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:35 AM
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a reply to: MiddleInsite

1) There's a difference between "I will not buy their products" and a twitter-bot storm from a single astro-turf organization.

2) Do you remember the 2012 Democratic Party's National Convention where the crowd wanted to strike 'God' from the platform? www.youtube.com...

3) And it had little effect on crime because (shocking, I know...) criminals don't obey the law.

4) Yes, a legal witch hunt. Just because something is termed 'legal' does not automatically mean it is justified or correct. Deferring to 'legality' as a measure of proper procedure hands your freedoms over to people who write the law. (Which is kinda what the OP was trying to say...)



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:35 AM
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Socialists finally have their target audience, a desperate populace with short attention spans and no reference or comprehension of what it is they're really asking for.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:38 AM
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There is no 'left' in American politics.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:55 AM
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The "right" only cares about one amendment.


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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 05:56 AM
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originally posted by: LordAhriman
The "right" only cares about one amendment.


Because it's the last line of defense for all the others.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 06:15 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
There is no 'left' in American politics.


If people use that term to describe themselves and/or another group, and we all agree...then yes there is.

Thats how language works. In real life, not on the blackboard of philosophy.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 06:39 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
They've completely stopped caring about amendments 1-6 (sans 3, for now). How did this happen?

Well, simply put, they haven't. Talking heads who have connections to political entities may have said all manner of things, but no individual, nor any small group thereof, speaks for the left as a whole, because real lefties believe in self representation, not small numbers of people being elected to represent large numbers of people.


1) They advocate for suppression of speech (see boycotts of any and all conservatives they put in their cross hairs) (1st amendment)

If it were as you say, you would have thought that after eight years of what right wingers falsely claim was a left wing government under Obama (who is nothing like a socialist or a lefty in the slightest, but is a neoliberal, which is the same disease as the neoconservatives have, just named differently to confuse the public), that making generalisations such as you have in the first two lines of your post, would have been made illegal. As it is, you are free to make generalisations as much as you like, and I recommend it, since doing so only weakens your position, damages your ability to make effective argument, and shows you up as a propagandist, rather than someone looking to have an honest discussion about the issues at hand. Do carry on, by all means though, it makes my life a damned sight easier.


2) They would love to criminalize religion (they view it as a mental illness, see joy behar) (1st amendment)

Again, your tendency to generalise to the point of making a nonsense of your argument, is biting heavily upon your arse at the moment. I am a Christian, and I am also aligned to left wing thinking on many, many subjects. I would no more permit a lefty to take away my right to be a man of faith, than I would permit some zealot bastard to tell me that Christ himself would condemn me for my political beliefs. Those matters are between the individual and their chosen deity, and I am living proof that your accusations on the matter are entirely baseless. But, once again, do carry on. Your points thus far have been such fascinating examples of flawed thinking, that I am left near breathless with anticipation of what other methods you have found, for digging yourself a hole to stand in.


3) They introduced a bill that would ban all semi-automatic center-fire rifles (HR5087) (2nd amendment)

Are you sure that was lefties, not Democrat Party members? You see, there is a significant difference between a rich Democrat Party member, and a normal, working class member of society who happens to think that healthcare should be universally available and paid for by taxation, never at point of use, for example. There is also a difference between some soft handed, workshy cretin of a congress person, and a person from the streets who believes that while it would be lovely to live in cloud cuckoo land, it is however necessary to live in the real world, where there are already so many guns on American streets that to ban any of them is about as effective as banning the breathing of air or the ejection of urine from the body. The Democrat Party and the left wing, are often very far apart from one another, and it is important to understand the fundamental difference between the two things, BEFORE commenting as you have today. Why? Simple... If you open your mouth before engaging your brain, you end up making poor arguments, rather like the ones you have made so far.


4) They cheer on the unreasonable search and siezure of ALL cohen's communications (even when things unrelated, leak) (4th amendment)

Do they? Would you care to show an example of someone you believe to be an actual lefty, who is cheering on the process being enacted against Mr Cohen? I will wait.


5) Which opens the door to self incrimination of his clients (5th amendment)

Again, would you show me evidence of an actual lefty, that is, a thoroughly well informed, working class, egalitarian individual, praising the actions of the FBI in this matter? Or are you talking about some stuffed shirted, filthy rich beneficiary of the status quo instead? One of these things is a lefty, and the other isn't, not in the least, so be careful who you pick as an example



6) And they revel in the dismantling of the right to counsel (6th amendment)

Given that lefties are often found in contravention of draconian, right wing supported laws, such as those against the consumption, possession, cultivation or distribution of cannabis and materials containing the same for example, it would make absolutely no sense for any of them to be supportive of the denial of the right to counsel. But again, I think you have your right and your left confused, which would not surprise me. You MOST CERTAINLY have your left and Democrat confused, and they are most certainly not the same thing in the slightest. Hillary Clinton, for example, is so much of a murderous, financially motivated she bitch, that there is no way in the world she has a leftist bone in her body. Lefties don't get down that way, you see. We think that sort of thing is dirty. We are also right to think that way.


All because of Trump? Really? I don't believe it, but what I do believe is that it's all due to a media run by propagandists who have perfected the art of manipulating the emotions of a sizable portion of the left.


Oh no... No the only thing that Trump has done for us, the left, is removed the legitimacy that any and all right wing pundits, mouthpieces and supporters have, when they claim the moral high ground, or the right to converse in a dignified manner on the issues of the day. You see, voting for an amoral, rude, pig ignorant, obnoxious piece of crap, means that when faced with correspondence that one does not like the tone of, you just have to put up with it. You gave up your right to proper discourse, when you elected a man incapable of actually engaging with it, to the highest office in your country. You reap what you sow sir.

As for the rest of your biased, ill informed rhetoric... well, thats all it was. You deliberately conflate left wing people with Democrat Party members and the mouthpieces hired at enormous expense, by networks whose behaviour makes them automatic enemies of any genuinely left wing entity or individual. Your effort to tarnish the left has only shown how little you understand the subject in general, how unwilling you are to engage with the necessary level of nuance and sophistication, required to actually discuss the topic, leave alone understand it correctly.

In short, you shot yourself in the foot here, and you were set to fully automatic at the time. Me, I am a lefty who disagrees with gun control initiatives. I think your nation is damned lucky to have the second amendment, and ought to keep it... but you need to keep your selector on semi, because you damned near blew both your feet off with this... its too kind to call this OP unmitigated tripe... absolute intellectual effluent would be more accurate I think.
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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite



All because of Trump? Really? I don't believe it, but what I do believe is that it's all due to a media run by propagandists who have perfected the art of manipulating the emotions of a sizable portion of the left.


There is no way to accurately and intelligently discuss these issues when you have already framed what the Left "believes" out-of-context or are employing logical fallacies to make them stick to the entire Left.

And I think that you and many others have become so intellectually lazy that you simply blame the media for, well, damn near anything and everything.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Awww TB... This is just more of the same whining the Cult45 people feel the need to spew periodically. What these people are actually saying is, 'We've met the snowflake and he is us'.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Yes, generalizations are used to describe groups of people with similar motives and agenda's. Not all of them will fit the mold 100%, nor is it expected by any rational mind that they would. But true to form, rather than try to understand the point you've chosen to obfuscate and disregard based on what you claim is over generalization. A more productive mode of argument (which you're likely uninterested in) would be to ask for clarification of what is meant by 'the left'.

I meant to respond to every paragraph, but so far, you've simply furthered the above fallacy, changing and shifting what a lefty is to fit your argument. If you were being honest you would, at very least, infer a single definition of a lefty which you thought I was referring to and stick to that, but that doesn't work for your tired arguments.

By the end it seems you have settled on a definition and it's quite obvious that you knew who and what I was referring to, but rather than accept that, you wanted to rail on over generalization and get as deep into the no true scotsman fallacy as you could. Good luck with that.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 07:12 AM
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So, we're resorting to straight up trolling and partisan baiting... It's not even thinly veiled under a different topic anymore.

It's almost like we need to be at each other's throats, if there is a bit of quiet, we create issues to spew nonsense.

No blm, no real wars, no terrorist attacks lately, no Nazi rallies, no more Obama and his secret crew poised to take over the world, no more Kim Jung un...

Now the left or right just sux...

Discuss away.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 07:13 AM
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Well Trump wants to jail journalists, so by your crazy and stupid logic I'm going to say that the right doesn't support the 1st Amendment either.

ETA: Oh yeah and he wants the death penalty for drug dealers, so the right doesn't believe in the 8th Amendment either.
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posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 07:14 AM
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This deserved its own post:

Oh no... No the only thing that Trump has done for us, the left, is removed the legitimacy that any and all right wing pundits, mouthpieces and supporters have, when they claim the moral high ground, or the right to converse in a dignified manner on the issues of the day. You see, voting for an amoral, rude, pig ignorant, obnoxious piece of crap, means that when faced with correspondence that one does not like the tone of, you just have to put up with it. You gave up your right to proper discourse, when you elected a man incapable of actually engaging with it, to the highest office in your country. You reap what you sow sir.


The only people I see using such language and making themselves into those bolded adjectives, are democrats and leftists like yourselves. I'd also like to note that you are proving point one about my post. See, you're more like the democrats than you'd like to admit, aren't you.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

There is no "point" to understand here. You are just ignorantly trolling. Plain and simple.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Slander isn't journalism.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 07:15 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

You would know, you're a professional.



posted on Apr, 17 2018 @ 07:18 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Slander isn't journalism.

NIIIIICE rationalizing your takedown of the 1st Amendment. I was being facetious but you stepped up to the plate and showed you really DON'T respect the 1st.



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