originally posted by: Dfairlite
They've completely stopped caring about amendments 1-6 (sans 3, for now). How did this happen?
Well, simply put, they haven't. Talking heads who have connections to political entities may have said all manner of things, but no individual, nor
any small group thereof, speaks for the left as a whole, because real lefties believe in self representation, not small numbers of people being
elected to represent large numbers of people.
1) They advocate for suppression of speech (see boycotts of any and all conservatives they put in their cross hairs) (1st amendment)
If it were as you say, you would have thought that after eight years of what right wingers falsely claim was a left wing government under Obama (who
is nothing like a socialist or a lefty in the slightest, but is a neoliberal, which is the same disease as the neoconservatives have, just named
differently to confuse the public), that making generalisations such as you have in the first two lines of your post, would have been made illegal. As
it is, you are free to make generalisations as much as you like, and I recommend it, since doing so only weakens your position, damages your ability
to make effective argument, and shows you up as a propagandist, rather than someone looking to have an honest discussion about the issues at hand. Do
carry on, by all means though, it makes my life a damned sight easier.
2) They would love to criminalize religion (they view it as a mental illness, see joy behar) (1st amendment)
Again, your tendency to generalise to the point of making a nonsense of your argument, is biting heavily upon your arse at the moment. I am a
Christian, and I am also aligned to left wing thinking on many, many subjects. I would no more permit a lefty to take away my right to be a man of
faith, than I would permit some zealot bastard to tell me that Christ himself would condemn me for my political beliefs. Those matters are between the
individual and their chosen deity, and I am living proof that your accusations on the matter are entirely baseless. But, once again, do carry on. Your
points thus far have been such fascinating examples of flawed thinking, that I am left near breathless with anticipation of what other methods you
have found, for digging yourself a hole to stand in.
3) They introduced a bill that would ban all semi-automatic center-fire rifles (HR5087) (2nd amendment)
Are you sure that was lefties, not Democrat Party members? You see, there is a significant difference between a rich Democrat Party member, and a
normal, working class member of society who happens to think that healthcare should be universally available and paid for by taxation, never at point
of use, for example. There is also a difference between some soft handed, workshy cretin of a congress person, and a person from the streets who
believes that while it would be lovely to live in cloud cuckoo land, it is however necessary to live in the real world, where there are already so
many guns on American streets that to ban any of them is about as effective as banning the breathing of air or the ejection of urine from the body.
The Democrat Party and the left wing, are often very far apart from one another, and it is important to understand the fundamental difference between
the two things, BEFORE commenting as you have today. Why? Simple... If you open your mouth before engaging your brain, you end up making poor
arguments, rather like the ones you have made so far.
4) They cheer on the unreasonable search and siezure of ALL cohen's communications (even when things unrelated, leak) (4th amendment)
Do they? Would you care to show an example of someone you believe
to be an actual lefty, who is cheering on the process being enacted against
Mr Cohen? I will wait.
5) Which opens the door to self incrimination of his clients (5th amendment)
Again, would you show me evidence of an actual lefty, that is, a thoroughly well informed, working class, egalitarian individual, praising the actions
of the FBI in this matter? Or are you talking about some stuffed shirted, filthy rich beneficiary of the status quo instead? One of these things is a
lefty, and the other isn't, not in the least, so be careful who you pick as an example
6) And they revel in the dismantling of the right to counsel (6th amendment)
Given that lefties are often found in contravention of draconian, right wing supported laws, such as those against the consumption, possession,
cultivation or distribution of cannabis and materials containing the same for example, it would make absolutely no sense for any of them to be
supportive of the denial of the right to counsel. But again, I think you have your right and your left confused, which would not surprise me. You MOST
CERTAINLY have your left and Democrat confused, and they are most certainly not the same thing in the slightest. Hillary Clinton, for example, is so
much of a murderous, financially motivated she bitch, that there is no way in the world she has a leftist bone in her body. Lefties don't get down
that way, you see. We think that sort of thing is dirty. We are also right to think that way.
All because of Trump? Really? I don't believe it, but what I do believe is that it's all due to a media run by propagandists who have perfected the
art of manipulating the emotions of a sizable portion of the left.
Oh no... No the only thing that Trump has done for us, the left, is removed the legitimacy that any and all right wing pundits, mouthpieces and
supporters have, when they claim the moral high ground, or the right to converse in a dignified manner on the issues of the day. You see, voting for
an amoral, rude, pig ignorant, obnoxious piece of crap, means that when faced with correspondence that one does not like the tone of, you just have to
put up with it. You gave up your right to proper discourse, when you elected a man incapable of actually engaging with it, to the highest office in
your country. You reap what you sow sir.
As for the rest of your biased, ill informed rhetoric... well, thats all it was. You deliberately conflate left wing people with Democrat Party
members and the mouthpieces hired at enormous expense, by networks whose behaviour makes them automatic enemies of any genuinely left wing entity or
individual. Your effort to tarnish the left has only shown how little you understand the subject in general, how unwilling you are to engage with the
necessary level of nuance and sophistication, required to actually discuss the topic, leave alone understand it correctly.
In short, you shot yourself in the foot here, and you were set to fully automatic at the time. Me, I am a lefty who disagrees with gun control
initiatives. I think your nation is damned lucky to have the second amendment, and ought to keep it... but you need to keep your selector on semi,
because you damned near blew both your feet off with this... its too kind to call this OP unmitigated tripe... absolute intellectual effluent would be
more accurate I think.
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