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originally posted by: BloodStainedGlass
How is it biased to point out facts?
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
If it's geometry, then yes, operative stone masons knew of this and taught that type of mathematics to each other. If it's something like free energy from space aliens, then no.
originally posted by: BloodStainedGlass
a reply to: mysterioustranger
Perhaps, I have asked a question that shouldn't be asked. An answer would still be very nice.
originally posted by: SurveyTheSurveyors
a reply to: BloodStainedGlass
Freemasons, and in depth masonry has always been of great interest to me.
I am originally from Detroit, which inhabits a Masonic Temple. A very large building with many theatres, venues, offices, rooms and areas to this day in which I can't identify. The temple itself is not very lively, but it does however have events which periodically take place there. Some music shows, lectures, etc. During one of these events, my uncle was in charge of setting up the sound equipment such as: The microphones, speakers, sound boards etc. and also run the system during the event. Well, I helped him and his union carry in, carry out, and set up the equipment a few days prior to the scheduled event in a nearly vacant Temple, so we thought. After finishing the event and disassembling all of the equipment at around midnight, we decided to take a tour which we were told not to and stay in designated areas, but no ones here right? So why not. We explored all base levels, the architecture is STUNNING, well thought out, designed with great symmetry and filled with free masonry ideology. During our exploration most if not all doors were locked, which wasn't surprising, but of course you try to open each one in hopes it is not right? Eventually we stumbled upon the door which lead up many flights of stairs to presumably the top of the temple. As we ascended we started to hear faint voices, note that the place is known to be haunted, so we figured could this be our first paranormal experience? I don't recall which floor we made it to, but I felt like we walked up about 4-5 flights of stairs before we started to hear voices, and continued onward till they got louder, still ineligible but at this point identified as human. We stopped at one of the floors we thought the voices were coming from, felt the door handle, it was unlocked and proceeded. Amongst the long hall way were many doors lining the wall, which I assumed to be lounges or offices? Closer to the end there was a room that had visible light emitting. After entering the hall way following my uncle, the door shut with a thud behind me and a few seconds after the lights whether they were candle or electronic, went out and the voices stopped. We exited as quickly as we entered and ended the tour on that note, and finished up clearing out all the equipment and ended our night on an interesting page.
Weird experience to say the least, interesting story I thought I would share with you! Highly recommend visiting a Temple if you ever get the chance, the vibe is truly unique and the buildings are very mysterious!
-StS
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
I'd suggest seeking how one becomes one, why, what it means... Then search out the history of the order.
At that point.. try to discern what is wild speculation, theory, conjecture, plain false, rumor, gossip and truth.
This is what I recommend on behalf of the Order.
originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
Every time you post this I just want to say that you're obviously not high enough in the ranks yet..
originally posted by: BloodStainedGlass
I was more interested in the architecture and anything you might know relating it to masonry in any form or fashion.
Philosophy is one thing but not the point of this thread. I don't know how the conversation got to where it did...
I want to know about the oldest stone masons you can tell me about.
originally posted by: BloodStainedGlass
He gets into the connection with the freemasons and basically says that they(freemasons) are the vehicle for an ancient knowledge which is why the church went from hiring them for the building of gothic cathedrals to wanting them eliminated as heretics.
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: BloodStainedGlass
I myself long ago looked how to join, what it takes and why, and the ultimate goal of Freemasonry.
2 Be 1 ask 1. But get the whole e2nd and 33rd degree being the highest it will only make you look like that special kid nobody wanted to hang out with. The Ultimate goal of Masonry is easily obtained by visiting any states grand lodge site.
Same with Oddfellows, Hibernians, Shriners and dozens of like orders and clubs like Knights of Columbus Eagles etc etc.
I can speak on Knights of Columbus because I am both a Mason and KofC. KofC goal is for laymen of the Catholic Church to do more for the Church and community it also wants to sell it's members life insurance. So it's a business. Shriners well in order to be one of those you got to be a 3rd degree mason. Their goal is to have fun and raise money for the hospitals.
I will say the females (mother, grandmother's, aunts etc) in my family are/were all Order of the Eastern Star.. the female offshoot of Freemasonry, and are buried in a Masonic Cemetery.
Anyone should ask a member or contact a lodge in any of the above mentioned.
Thanks
originally posted by: BloodStainedGlass
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
No deep end diving with this one. His account of the masons "secrets" is basically understanding the duality of the universe. The joining of the negative and positive to create something new. Attaining the balance through the middle path, etc...
Interesting stuff, give it a look I insist.