They have us by the balls a message about the right

a reply to: olaru12

Your point will be ignored..because it is valid

a reply to: vonclod

It can't be valid cuz it simply can't! Also, socialism is bad. BAD! As bad as quantitative easing... no, wait! That's just the necessary evil to save capitalism with. Antifa on the other hand, is just a bunch of fascist scumbags with high visibility on the streets.
That's right. I've got it right again, finally. Carry on!

a reply to: dfnj2015

just make sure you are clutching your communist manifesto tightly when you see all the winning trump is going to be doing very soon, maybe even this weekend.

it might be alittle bit frightening!

a reply to: dfnj2015

Well Dude-From-New-Jersey: you certainly are brave: criticizing Capitalism on this site.

The defenders of the faith were quick to the defense of their greedy bastard masters.

The strawman is clear when they launch into the evils of Communism, Socialism, and/or Marxism, when your OP was merely an invitation to look at the problems with current Westerm society.

Am not pro anything.
Just think that greed is unenlightened self-interest, and ugly as hell on any human being.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

The American people are a fiddle. And corporations ARE the government:

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Karl Marx was also a major proponent of Global Free Trade:
mailstar.net...


Karl Marx's major statement about Free Trade was an address delivered to the Democratic association of Brussels, Belgium, on January 9, 1848, around the same time as he wrote the Communist Manifesto.

To sum up, what is Free Trade under the present conditions of society? Freedom of Capital. When you have torn down the few national barriers which still restrict the free development of capital, you will merely have given it complete freedom of action. So long as you let the relation of wages-labor to capital exist, no matter how favorable the conditions under which you accomplish the exchange of commodities, there will always be a class which exploits and a class which is exploited. It is really difficult to understand the presumption of the Free traders who imagine that the more advantageous application of capital will abolish the antagonism between industrial capitalists and wage workers. On the contrary. The only result will be that the antagonism of these two classes will stand out more clearly. ...

It was predicted years ago, that with Global Free Trade, it would be a race to the bottom for the majority on the globe while the top elite becoming stinking rich, and this is what is happening.

Now those wealthy globalists go around the world investing in the housing markets causing housing prices to inflate while working wages are dropping at the same time and there is a big reason for the increasing working homeless in this country.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: dfnj2015

Theft is when you use the power of government to FORCE redistribution of property and prosperity.

You mean like this?
www.opensecrets.org...

Top Lobbying Industries

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832
Electric Utilities $2,013,127,133
Electronics Mfg & Equip $1,823,347,451
Business Associations $1,811,811,643
Oil & Gas $1,715,405,541
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $1,416,425,661
Education $1,399,862,870
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,310,021,801
Telecom Services $1,271,840,866
Securities & Investment $1,264,774,284
Civil Servants/Public Officials $1,216,181,432
Real Estate $1,215,135,758
Health Professionals $1,189,983,794
Air Transport $1,125,384,003
Misc Issues $929,225,311
Automotive $891,793,138
Defense Aerospace $887,354,553
Health Services/HMOs $863,410,051
TV/Movies/Music $851,379,595

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
I think corporations are the root of the problem due to their ability to monopolize markets, privatize the profits and socialize the losses. How do we fix it? Make all corporations publicly-owned so that corporate profits go back to the people. The other huge problem is the legal system which is another maze set up to benefit the wealthy. It is also in terrible need of reform and simplification.

The point that they privatize the profits and socializes the losses these days cannot be overstated.
Even back when slavery was legal, the slave owners were responsible for your housing, your medical care and your food.
I mean, your slave does you no good if you harm him where he cannot work the fields.

Of course I disagree with slavery, but what we have is worse today.
It is a rent a slave economy where the slave owners take all the profits and push all the costs onto everyone else.
Look how many corporations are going the contractor route in order to even take less responsibility over the ones that make them profits.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

Great thing about our system over socialism? If you don’t like your situation work to change it , w socialism , too bad resist and die

If there is so much free will in our country and system, then how did they know with Global Trade, they were going to convert us to a service economy?

We have a command driven economy by the Big Corporations and Banks, not a free market economy.
If they offshore millions of factory jobs and increase more low level wages to fill the gap, no magic voodoo is going to change that equation where you have 70 percent working those jobs.

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: infolurker


I have no idea what you are talking about with your criticisms and your made up definitions. But unless you are talking about increasing purchasing power of the median worker's wage to me you are just a shill for the status quo.

Says the shill for Govt tyranny and theft. 8 years of Obama's leftists policies did nothing but accelerate the destruction of the middle class and make workers less well off with less jobs less purchasing power.

It must be killing you now that the economy is turning around.

"The economy is turning around."

Astounding.

The economy has been on a slow and steady expansion since 2010, and had accelerated through the last Obama years. What is not expanding are average wages for people who work for a living at less than 6 figures a year.

Want to blame Obama? Why blame the person who advocated to get higher minimum wages, which have been shown to push up wages along the pay scale? Why blame the person who favored union strength as the main type of organization that can extract higher wages? Why blame the person that advocated that women get paid the same as men?

You righties have been coiopted by the Southern Strategy since Nixon, used for your conservative social ideas to believe that "regulations" and unions" were the enemy of the working man and not Wall Street.

What part of the economy has "gotten better"?

Let me tell you a secret, any time you reduce taxes (Trump did it overwhelmingly in favor of the wealthy. Obama reduced taxes, too - for the poor and middle class, he advocated raising them on the highest 2 brackets, but you only heard "tax increases" and likely never knew your taxes went down), any time you reduce taxes but do not reduce spending (in fact Trump increased spending) you can juice the economy for a short time, that's no trick.

The "trick" is then paying for things down the road as the deficit explodes, like it did under Reagan, like it did under "W" and like it is forecast to do under Trump. When the deficit explodes again, THEN we will hear calls to "cut back" - and the cut backs will come to hurt the reddest of the red voter such as my in-law aunt and uncle who "suddenly" became Democrats when they realized that their grown daughter who is severely disabled, would lose all her medicaid benefits under the Repub plan to cut back on spending.

They had no idea how much they were benefiting from the generosity of democratic voters who - like myself - vote to tax myself MORE in order to pay for her (and others like her) care.

The deficit will skyrocket and there will be cuts to services, NOT increases in taxes to those who grew shamelessly wealthier with the tax cut, rinse, repeat.

I was speaking to my 86 y/o evangelical conservative grand mother in-law several days ago. She was happy to have received her $450 "spousal pension" that her late husband earned when he retired from his UNION job over 25 years ago, bragging that "the company took good care of us, they wanted their employees happy and to do well" - it was all I could do to bite my tongue and not say "yes, bc they feared the workers would strike or find a better union job, so they DID take good care of you, and 'the CEO only averaged 45x the average worker salary back then, now it is 280x the average worker, and "right to work" laws have stamped out all checks on ownership/management power."

That is the difference. The OP is chastised for hating "freedom" - well, it would seem to me that corporate enslavement is worse than government, bc I could vote the government out. Now, with Citizen's United, big business can buy all the pols they need, and they can monopolize, crush unions, collude in pricing and deflate wages to their hearts content (in 1985 the minimum wage was $10.60 in today's dollars, today it is %7.25 and hasn't risen in almost a decade.

"Freedom" - you've bought into Wall Street's definition. They are smart folks. Though, it wasn't that hard. Just play up to the social issues and take your money.

Marx: Strike 1
FDR: Strike 2
Blaming the lobbyist instead of the corrupt politician: Strike 3

Seriously, you don't like bad/corrupt political decisions but the Left wants nothing but politicians deciding how we live our lives...

You're out.

originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: dfnj2015

just make sure you are clutching your communist manifesto tightly when you see all the winning trump is going to be doing very soon, maybe even this weekend.

it might be alittle bit frightening!

The increase in jobs has only been more low wage service jobs.
We are still on the Globalists Train Tracks.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Marx: Strike 1
FDR: Strike 2
Blaming the lobbyist instead of the corrupt politician: Strike 3

Seriously, you don't like bad/corrupt political decisions but the Left wants nothing but politicians deciding how we live our lives...

You're out.

You could have saved yourself a ton of time and simply said that favoring FDR is "out" in your book. That would have told us everything we needed to know.

Corporate America is proud of your loyalty.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Marx: Strike 1
FDR: Strike 2
Blaming the lobbyist instead of the corrupt politician: Strike 3

Seriously, you don't like bad/corrupt political decisions but the Left wants nothing but politicians deciding how we live our lives...

You're out.

Where do you think the politicians come from?
The politicians are corporate and banking stooges being put in place by their corporate masters.

Trump admitted he was one of the biggest purchaser of politicians, now he is repaying them as a thank you.
Look up the revolving door and the thousands of Bankers that go in and out of DC serving their masters.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
I think corporations are the root of the problem due to their ability to monopolize markets, privatize the profits and socialize the losses. How do we fix it? Make all corporations publicly-owned so that corporate profits go back to the people. The other huge problem is the legal system which is another maze set up to benefit the wealthy. It is also in terrible need of reform and simplification.

The point that they privatize the profits and socializes the losses these days cannot be overstated.
Even back when slavery was legal, the slave owners were responsible for your housing, your medical care and your food.
I mean, your slave does you no good if you harm him where he cannot work the fields.

Of course I disagree with slavery, but what we have is worse today.
It is a rent a slave economy where the slave owners take all the profits and push all the costs onto everyone else.
Look how many corporations are going the contractor route in order to even take less responsibility over the ones that make them profits.

You hit it right on the head.

The Walton family controls near $200 billion dollars, yet their payroll is subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer because they refuse to pay their employees enough to feed their kids, thus qualifying for SNAP. In effect, the U.S. taxpayer is subsidizing Walmart's payroll department.

To those who say "get a better education and a better job" - I say "there are not all that many jobs to begin with" and, under any system, the bottom 25% in intelligence will always be the bottom 25%, some people do not have the ability to get a Masters in computer engineering. Yet, if they work hard, play by the rules, are good employees, why should they live in poverty, while the Waltons accrue hundreds of billions?

To the "freedom" and "capitalism" crowd - I am a capitalist through and through. But, I happen to ascribe to Adam Smith capitalism, wherein Adam Smith himself said that for the system to work, it would require "heavy regulation." Without "heavy regulation" Smith predicted the exact result we see, concentrations of wealth leading to concentration of power which leads to bending the rules in favor of those with the wealth. There should be much heavier regulation to encourage competition, instead we see it discourage it. We see the airlines consolidating, again, MSFT won its anti-trust suit (which is a joke), X-Finity monopolizes cable, Google the net, Facebook social media, and unions should be strengthened to allow competition for workers.

a reply to: dfnj2015

The YouTube on Marx sounded nice. The world is able to over produce, so the majority of us should be able to spend most, if not all of our time, in the pursuit of leisure with out fear of being expanded as unimportant. That's sounds like a great way to live where do I sign up?

My only question is who are the pore guys not in the majority who have to continue to produce in order for the rest of us to live in our leisure? I dont want to be one of those guys.

A theme that has presented itself a few times in dystopian fiction is the prosperous and happy society that is bore on the back of one individual who must endure the pain for the rest of society. That sounds great too, unlimited happiness for most everyone, unless your that individual who must feel everyone else's pain.

Capitalism might be crap for most of us and great for only a few ... but in some strange way isnt that more fair then the other way around?

a reply to: dfnj2015

LMAO, how are people so naive? Do you honestly believe what you wrote? Profit = theft!?!? So I take it you're sending every dime you make after your bills are paid and giving it to someone else, right? Because that's your profit. You don't actually need 50,000 year if your bills are 30,000. Why are you ripping off your landlord? Why are you ripping off your employer? Why are you ripping off the electric company by paying them less than what you make???

I can't believe in 2018 we're still dealing with the idiocy that is marxism. Marx was a mental midget, with no work ethic, and a lot of jealousy. There's a reason he died broke and was homeless for much of his life.

a reply to: Nothin

The is not capitalism but the excesses of capitalism that becomes a problem. Marx said capitalism is always followed by communism. This is because unfettered greed results in the government's currency collapsing in value. Once the government's currency collapses, people in the bread lines will demand MORE government not less.

So by advocated the excesses of capitalism be fettered I'm actually more a capitalist than the people you are criticizing! I am trying to preserve capitalism where the greedy #^$^%*@! are trying to destroy it!

a reply to: DanDanDat

The purpose of the video was not to replace capitalism with communism. The purpose was to address some of the problems that occur with capitalism.

a reply to: Dfairlite

The profit = theft had to do with energy spent by workers versus how much they are paying for what they produce.

Obviously you are mindless supporter of laissez-faire capitalism. No country believes the way you do. I'm not the one making this up.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Marx: Strike 1
FDR: Strike 2
Blaming the lobbyist instead of the corrupt politician: Strike 3

Seriously, you don't like bad/corrupt political decisions but the Left wants nothing but politicians deciding how we live our lives...

You're out.

I'm out? What does that mean.

I see nothing wrong with supporting public policies designed to increase the purchasing power of the median worker's wage. All the money comes back to shareholders anyway. Wealth inequality is at all time highs:



There has been only one 4 year period in the last 60 years where the purchasing power of the median workers wage increased. This means a dollar bought more slices of bread at the beginning of the president taking office as opposed to the end. This happened during Clinton's second term. If these keeps going the way its going, at some point, if you interpolate this out, it's not going to end well.

I'm sorry you see my concern about helping the American worker have a slightly better life is so offensive to you. It seems to be sharing some of the HUGE productivity gains over the last 30 years with more people is not the end of the World.