They have us by the balls a message about the right

Freedom? What is freedom? Freedom to screw the American worker is not the kind of freedom I'm interested in. Flag, Freedom, Patriotism, WHOO HOO!! I just can't take the fandom propaganda anymore. I'M DONE. Everything they talk about on corporate media has absolutely NOTHING to do with my life. I just tune it all out. I'M DONE WITH POLITICS.

George Carlin said it best, there's a reason why the American people are getting effed by their politicians:



I like Marx's criticism of laissez-faire capitalism. You have to be a complete moron not to see Marx is making several good points about the problems with laissez-faire capitalism:



Profit equals theft!!!

You want know what left means? You want to know what Democrat means? Here are the words from FDR from 1936 Democrat convention. Read this 10 times so it sinks in and before you criticize liberal democrats with fandom propaganda:

"An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government."

It's not about liberalism, conservatism or progressivism. Unless a politician is talking about the purchasing power of the median worker's wage it's all a side show to get your attention away from how effed you are being screwed!!!

The American people are a fiddle. And corporations ARE the government:

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

a reply to: dfnj2015

Theft is when you use the power of government to FORCE redistribution of property and prosperity.


Communism and Socialism are loved by unhappy people who want to use the force of government and law to make everyone else as unhappy as they are.... and maybe take somebody else's property and hard work for themselves until they crush the will to succeed.

fee.org...

The socialist frame of mind can be summed up in one word: resentment. As Mises wrote:

“Resentment is at work when one so hates somebody for his more favorable circumstances that one is prepared to bear heavy losses if only the hated one might also come to harm. Many of those who attack capitalism know very well that their situation under any other economic system will be less favorable. Nevertheless, with full knowledge of this fact, they advocate a reform, e.g., socialism, because they hope that the rich, whom they envy, will also suffer under it.”

a reply to: infolurker

Capitalism is voluntary transactions. Socialism is taking people's money and giving it to others. I think most people with a brain can tell which is theft.

a reply to: infolurker

Monopolies and cartels are the real theft:

An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government.

The problems with our country are NOT rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. Money = Representation.

I have no idea what you are talking about with your criticisms and your made up definitions. But unless you are talking about increasing purchasing power of the median worker's wage to me you are just a shill for the status quo.

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement
a reply to: infolurker

Capitalism is voluntary transactions. Socialism is taking people's money and giving it to others. I think most people with a brain can tell which is theft.

Name a country that has nothing but voluntary transactions.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: infolurker


I have no idea what you are talking about with your criticisms and your made up definitions. But unless you are talking about increasing purchasing power of the median worker's wage to me you are just a shill for the status quo.

Says the shill for Govt tyranny and theft. 8 years of Obama's leftists policies did nothing but accelerate the destruction of the middle class and make workers less well off with less jobs less purchasing power.

It must be killing you now that the economy is turning around.

a reply to: infolurker

Communism calls for the abolishment of Government/States and to be controlled by the people, worker-controlled means of productions, decentralised direct consensus, abolishment of money etc.

a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

this is false because socialism the transition to communism calls for the abolishment of money and monetary "value"

so it is just baseless Americanised propaganda that says "socialism steals your money" when money would cease to exist

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement
a reply to: infolurker

Capitalism is voluntary transactions. Socialism is taking people's money and giving it to others. I think most people with a brain can tell which is theft.

Buy my thing, it's the only one you can get and it will save your life. Your doctor told me to sell it to you.. It's $1500 a month. Buy it.. BUUUYYY it.

You'll die otherwise.

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: infolurker


I have no idea what you are talking about with your criticisms and your made up definitions. But unless you are talking about increasing purchasing power of the median worker's wage to me you are just a shill for the status quo.

Says the shill for Govt tyranny and theft. 8 years of Obama's leftists policies did nothing but accelerate the destruction of the middle class and make workers less well off with less jobs less purchasing power.

It must be killing you now that the economy is turning around.

You are so stuck in the left/right propaganda you have absolutely no idea what the op is talking about, what's more Carlin in that skit he posted has you pegged.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Freedom? What is freedom? Freedom to screw the American worker is not the kind of freedom I'm interested in. Flag, Freedom, Patriotism, WHOO HOO!! I just can't take the fandom propaganda anymore. I'M DONE. Everything they talk about on corporate media has absolutely NOTHING to do with my life. I just tune it all out. I'M DONE WITH POLITICS.

George Carlin said it best, there's a reason why the American people are getting effed by their politicians:

I like Marx's criticism of laissez-faire capitalism. You have to be a complete moron not to see Marx is making several good points about the problems with laissez-faire capitalism:

Profit equals theft!!!

You want know what left means? You want to know what Democrat means? Here are the words from FDR from 1936 Democrat convention. Read this 10 times so it sinks in and before you criticize liberal democrats with fandom propaganda:

"An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government."

It's not about liberalism, conservatism or progressivism. Unless a politician is talking about the purchasing power of the median worker's wage it's all a side show to get your attention away from how effed you are being screwed!!!

The American people are a fiddle. And corporations ARE the government:

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Move to Cambodia.

Or san fran.

Here is the rest of the story.

I have an idea OP. Go to school, learn a trade, get a job, earn your own stuff. You are not entitled to what others have worked hard to achieve.

It saddens me that people think the USA should be run based on what a comedian writes to entertain.

And if you’re such a fan of Marx, there are countries you can move to today!

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: infolurker


I have no idea what you are talking about with your criticisms and your made up definitions. But unless you are talking about increasing purchasing power of the median worker's wage to me you are just a shill for the status quo.

Says the shill for Govt tyranny and theft. 8 years of Obama's leftists policies did nothing but accelerate the destruction of the middle class and make workers less well off with less jobs less purchasing power.

It must be killing you now that the economy is turning around.

You are so stuck in the left/right propaganda you have absolutely no idea what the op is talking about, what's more Carlin in that skit he posted has you pegged.

You know what they about people who assume things... They look like asses. Which explains yourself.

I'm pretty much straight down the middle. (I recently found out even Facebook thinks so)

But the leftist's hate, racism, victim ideology, elitist propaganda and their embarrassing levels of hypocrisy make them exceptionally despicable to me. And I feel compelled to call them out on it.

So feel free to to keep assuming things, it suits you well.

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: infolurker


I have no idea what you are talking about with your criticisms and your made up definitions. But unless you are talking about increasing purchasing power of the median worker's wage to me you are just a shill for the status quo.

Says the shill for Govt tyranny and theft. 8 years of Obama's leftists policies did nothing but accelerate the destruction of the middle class and make workers less well off with less jobs less purchasing power.

It must be killing you now that the economy is turning around.

You are so stuck in the left/right propaganda you have absolutely no idea what the op is talking about, what's more Carlin in that skit he posted has you pegged.

You know what they about people who assume things... They look like asses. Which explains yourself.

I'm pretty much straight down the middle. (I recently found out even Facebook thinks so)

But the leftist's hate, racism, victim ideology, elitist propaganda and their embarrassing levels of hypocrisy make them exceptionally despicable to me. And I feel compelled to call them out on it.

So feel free to to keep assuming things, it suits you well.

Go back and read your post .

You clearly state you are down the middle then immediately say but the left blah blah blah. Feel free to miss the point and think you haven't taken a side.

That doesn't explain why you see asses during exchanges with other people, perhaps you need to have your eyesight checked.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

You are mistaking viewpoint and behavoir.

I align with many left ideals as well. I just wont align overall because of the behavior i have seen coming out of the rank and file.

There is more than enough for what everybody needs, just not for what everybody wants.

Who wants some? Exactly!
Human nature dictates policy for more than any ideology ever did

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Perhaps, I guess I find it counter-intuitive to refer to the left or the right in this conversation, it makes no difference from the perspective of the op. The left and right are an illusion ,politicians are actors performing for our masters, those that shape our fate.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Politically, yes.

But i have to live around "the left" that are real people. And they believe the false dichotomy

ETA...musta sucked being an atheist sprawled out on the altar of the Aztecs, still being victim to their wild beliefs. Same with modern politics....just less bloodshed.

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement
a reply to: infolurker

Capitalism is voluntary transactions. Socialism is taking people's money and giving it to others. I think most people with a brain can tell which is theft.

If you didnt have some kind of system to help the poor stay out of the cold. You would have more crime, poor looking cities, and less productivity. I started hearing voices 8 years ago. I ended up in hospital. Lost my room at home. Ended up in a group home. If that were not there i probably would be dead by now from mental torture.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I couldn't imagine, I grew up on the isle of wight and used to go to this ancient castle, in this room they had all these medieval torture devices , some of these devices were insanely nasty.

Anyway, yeah I guess it's as simple as to many people, sides are inevitable.