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posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

joe simington, eagle lake? classic
theres an external factor besides imagination




posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

the problem is that modern ufology is too caustic and boring, nothing new on the table



posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: humanoidlord

That's been an assumption for some time...

Both JV and the fundamental religious folks use that assumption.

But that assumption doesn't move us forward, in and of itself.

and "from another dimension" doesn't move us forward either..
that's just code for supernatural boogey man.

I'm not being critical... but we are stuck in a rut and not moving
forward.

The golden age stuff doesn't occur anymore.. and we don't know why..

and the modern stuff looks more like satellites are beaming THZ
radiation into our brains and we are all going loopy.

Doing "UFO research", correctly, bypassing all the deception, much of which
is human deception is not an easy thing.

Kev



posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: humanoidlord
the problem is that modern ufology is too caustic and boring, nothing new on the table

I'm as guilty as the next person about this, but modern ufology also tends to lean a little too heavily on the supernatural aspects of the phenomenon. Not saying that there isn't that aspect, but it sucks for gathering good, solid evidence that can be studied and reviewed. Can't do that with psychic visions.



posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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Oh i'm not saying there's isn't physical phenomenon.

But it's like in the movie "forbidden planet"

it's like our fantasies are being turned into energy phenomenon
and played out for us.

Kev



posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: humanoidlord

The idea of interdimensional does not alleviate non-terrestrial origins.

Whatever you think of as "clear", one argument sans evidence is equal to all other arguments sans evidence.



posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: Archivalist

JV did a very creative thing.. he linked his IDH hypothesis to global folklore,
which gave it instant "proof", as most people would go... well those stories
of little people come from all around the world! I don't know what they were,
but there must have been *something* to it..

and Folklore critters have become associted with the occult and "other dimensions"
in theosophy/pop culture movies.

It's really and end run around the intellect.

Now.. I'm not saying that there isn't some phenomenon that sometimes manifests
as "UFOs" and once manifested as "folklore creatures".

That's an unproven hypothesis that might be true.. to some degree.

But the end run around the intellect does not make it true.

So with many fancy words, I agree with you.

Kev



posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:40 PM
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Find the area where fantastic idea, meets observed science.

That's the crossroad you want to be at.

Whatever tickles the belly of science, while feeding the ideology of "spooky UFO"

By that, I mean if you support the idea that interdimensional travel is possible, then we should be able to do it. There is nothing "unknown" out of space-time, we should have to utilize, per Bell and Occam.

So, if you want to argue for interdimensional travel as tangible for someone else. Argue for it, for us. How can we do it? Prove yourself correct.


Personally, I'm exploring the "EM drive" and it's core concepts right now.

We don't have to "go" above our dimension, necessarily, if we can figure out a way to manipulate the dimension above us, from here.

Where is the extra energy coming from? In the EM drive model?

That's my favorite question right now.



posted on Apr, 19 2018 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: Archivalist

Its coming from the same place as "cold fusion".

It's erratic and unreproducible.



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

wich is what i am trying to do, also i never said ufos are demonic or angelic



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

but isnt that the truth? ufos are anything but nuts and bolts, though it isnt spiritual or new agey either just magical



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

yep exactly
there arent paranormal phenomenas, but 1 phenomena wich is the trickster entity



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: Archivalist

you need to research more



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: Archivalist

the trickster dont needs any punny drives, he is an god thingy after all



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

cold fusion was an scam that never had one bit of truth and was impossible o reproduce
all tests of the EM-drive gave anomalous results



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: humanoidlord
but isnt that the truth? ufos are anything but nuts and bolts, though it isnt spiritual or new agey either just magical

Then I would like to know the mechanism that allows these things to "manifest" enough so that they can be photographed and people can interact with them. There still has to be that missing link, which pretty much by default has to be physical in some way.

What is the connection? How do we get from a thought to something physical without going through the steps of actually building what we're imagining?



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 07:10 PM
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I tend to speak to generalities, not target individuals.

I do like your golden age posts!



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

Good questions.

It's possible that the "energy blobs" have at times manifested so-called
"angel hair" and/or "slag" and other transitional forms.

No proof for that.

Otherwise, it could all be appearances..

you know.. like holodeck representations without actual substance,
but" substancy enough" to cause burns / EM effects / show on radar.

Or of course we may be in a simulation.. then there are no further
explanations needed.

My take?

I have no idea.

When i talked all day with Jacques Vallee.. we went back and forth
over the dual substance/no-substance conundrum.

If we knew the why of we'd have the mystery solved.



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 07:19 PM
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blog.synthestech.com...

there are obviously people who disagree with you to this very day.

and the effect of the EM Drive is currently so small, (but granted it's finally agreed upon to be thee),
that its only to be used for station-keeping adjustment for LEO satellites.

www.nasaspaceflight.com...-40015

It doesn't look like it will ltake chimpanzees to the stars.

But what's going on there is still a mystery.. who knows..



posted on Apr, 20 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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ufos are like schrodinger cat, physical and not physical at the same time




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