Something to ponder ?

With all the Russia Russia Russia stuff has anyone ever wondered why why why ? Russia supported us in WW1 and we were allies during WW2.

Stalin was an idiot and pissed everyone off in the west to the point of Patton wanting us to rearm the Germans and invade Russia.. No kidding... If that would have happened 20 million plus Russians might have survived the Stalin purges.

Well that did not happen and the past many years are like they were plucked out of bad pages of history.

Communism was the plague of the world (domino theory was a big talking point)according to the way I grew up and even though I am sure I was brain washed to a much greater extent when I was young I would still fight against some form of a socialism Marxisms dictatorial politburo trying to run my life.. Probably a very short fight due to my age.....besides, and an airplane ticket is easier..... See age can also bring a small amount of smarts..hahhah

So I was just thinking... I would like a full blown (tear down that wall) initiative with Russia. Just think...All those bases surrounding Russia in a defensive or offensive posture could be drawn down and billions of USD could be saved and we could forget about the duck and cover threat from Russia's nuclear missiles..

I do believe China is a much greater threat to world peace starting around 2025 simply because they have become rich off the life blood of western technology. Even my Chinese friends say the same thing...That China is in for the long haul as far a world power and domination. No they are not in a position to realize that dream anytime in the near future but the dream is there.

So ATS what are your thoughts. How would you like world alliances to finally shake out ?

How could we become pardners with Russia or is that something that is inadvisable in your opinion ?

I believe Russia is much more naturally allied with the west than China will ever be and I like Chinese food !

Thoughts or to big to think about ?

I read a book several years ago about how the world had been organized into blocks of countries with ties to a particular central command structure. These blocks worked like the dream of the E.U. without all the corruption and UN-elected officials making good rules for the few at the cost of the many while getting rich in the mean time.... Even with the blocks there were still threats of wars over resources ... It seems to me that the people do not want wars but the governments are always looking for a fight...

I have been lucky and have got to travel to many places. People of foreign lands seem to be family orientated and to busy trying to make ends meet to want to go to war..... unless the society is ate up and brain washed with some kind of religious fervor that requires them to go forth and convert the barbarians or kill the bastards. Unfortunately there are still those around who believe that stuff..

a reply to: 727Sky


I've always considered Russia to be, "An enemy you could trust".

China? Unless we get busy, China will over take the world in a century.

In my opinion.

a reply to: 727Sky

Here is a better question????


Why does what economic system a country uses mean 2 countries have to be opponents????


Why can’t capitalism and communism coexist with out sanctions, blustering and war??



Well because the merchant class that presently runs the west is scared to death the peasants will revolt and take all their stuff. So “communism and socialism” become propaganda buzzwords meant to cause an innate reaction in stupid people..

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 727Sky



I've always considered Russia to be, "An enemy you could trust".

China? Unless we get busy, China will over take the world in a century.

In my opinion.

Like The Roman Empire, the US empire will fall, just like Rome, greed.
Debt will destroy the West, no president will ever say you need to pay higher taxes, less money on the economy, trade our way out of destruction, but that's the only answer

You can't stop what has begun, signed sealed, deliver.....

Sadly the US had so much to offer but lost her way

a reply to: 727Sky

I do believe China is a much greater threat to world peace starting around 2025 simply because they have become rich off the life blood of western technology. Even my Chinese friends say the same thing...That China is in for the long haul as far a world power and domination. No they are not in a position to realize that dream anytime in the near future but the dream is there.

Its very hard for a westerner to get a good grip on the Chinese culture . The people don't seem to be set the same as westerners are . USA USA USA ...the exceptional the brave the strong , kick but # one # one . Without knowing and only going by YT vids out of Russia Id say they are kind of like Canadians except with a real military .

The real power hungry ones are tucked away using their influence that we can see and hear . Just arm yourself with some facts and then sit in on a UN meeting .China may be a threat as well because they don't make a lot of noise .There seems to be some benefits that go along with their rise to power for a lot of common folk . Infrastructure projects .Trade . They seem to be on board with a multi polar world .

But yea more Russian hockey is good by me .

a reply to: Raggedyman

Meh.

I'll either be dead by then or downloaded into the mainframe and become an AI Overlord and cruelly rule humanity.

An American-Russian alliance would stop China’s currently inevitable rise to being the dominant world power.

As it is however the West would prefer to antagonise Russia, cementing their alliance with China thus ensuring China’s coming preeminence on the world stage.

There is no reason for modern America and modern Russia to be enemies. Other than America’s desire to cling to its old has-been European allies and seeming total inability or unwillingness to address the very real threat they face from China.

An alliance with Russia will have to come by the hands of the U.S. military. Our government is too inept, greedy and behind the times to get anything effective and progressive done. There just seems to be too many differences between Asian cultures and our culture to be able to see eye to eye on the important issues that effect not just us, but everyone else. When 2 countries are the economic leaders of the world, everything they do effects everyone else eventually.

That said, an alliance with Russia would be to the benefit of so many for so many different reasons. The alliance however would have to be financial based and would have to be to the benefit of Russia. Putin will do nothing for anyone if his country doesn't get a good deal for themselves. Leaders need to sit face to face and come to the mutual conclusion that business is what dictates actions on a global scale, not political or religious ideologies. Money is the common thread that would keep us both on the same page, working together and bringing about a more stable and cohesive global economy.

And before you say "Russia? Are you kidding me"? Think of how long China has had its own culture. Thousands of years now. How long did it take China to step out and become part of global society? Thousands of years now. There are simply too many differences between China and the rest of the world, not to mention the U.S., because of that long period of inclusive existence for them to be of any real benefit to anyone seeking an alliance. The only real dealings that China has had in the past with other countries was the opium trade, and that's not really something you want to align yourself with.

Now, even though I am a U.S. citizen, I have to face the facts for what they are. An alliance with Russia would do good things for both of us in so many ways, but Russia would have to make out better than us. Why? Because for all of Putin's faults, he has shown the world that he can lead his country in the right direction. The direction that is right for Russia. Our leaders have not shown that for their own country. They have shown weakness and greed, and if there is one thing Putin would not want to align himself to, it's weakness. You are only as good as the company you keep, a truth that Putin knows all to well, so we would really have to sweeten the pot for him to align himself with us.

This is why the American military leaders would need to be at the bargaining table. They show strength, a genuine love for their country and are far more articulate and professional in their words than Washington D.C. could ever hope to be. Russia doesn't respect the U.S. Government and no one in their right mind can blame them. They do, however, respect our military. If you don't believe me, look at Syria. And again, no one in their right mind can blame them.

It’s because they are anti-progressive, which is to say anti-globalist.

This is so obvious that it’s easy to miss.

Culturally, a dislike of ‘progressive’ agendas runs deep.

Gaze are vehemently harassed openly in tne streets, and I doubt they have three thousand labels covering every conceivable sexual perversion by which citizens clamor toward identifying with.

That’s the real reason.

Eventually, through media lies and incremental hypnosis and conditioning, we will forget
these reasons. particularly since progressives happen to be their own worst enemy and are quite capable of forgetting what sickness and cultural Marxism they foisted on every free state that was kind enough to tolerate them, and then pretend that it never happened.

When progressives lost the big house, a lot of wind went out of their sails. We hardly hear of the issues they were shoving down our throats, such as carbon credits, unisex reconstruction, how children are capable of determining when they should have their sex organs mutilated and that civilization should be perfected via these children running the world and so on. We see it right here on these boards. Instead, we see that a fuse has blown in each of their progressive heads, and Trump must be impeached, removed, since all this fine progressive momentum has since been derailed. Brexit was only the beginning. A world cultural backlash is brewing and our attention and angst will be directed at Russia, because if not, progressives would be blamed, and perhaps hunted, for their role in dismantling and sacking cultures everywhere.

Then what?

I suspect the average street level virtue signaling fascist progressive thug won’t agree with my take on it, but the globalist heavies know Russia hates their act -all of Russia, not just the leaders- and that Russia stands firmly in the way of a world government, just as the 1st and 2nd stand in the way of antifa, or isis, or government gone wild here in the states.

Funny thing. The second Trump was elected, RT was cut from broadcast TV. I don’t think
Trump was the one who pulled the plug on it, but someone did. Gee, I wonder who. They were matching our broadcasts lie for lie. And they never gave the correct ‘issues’ air time.

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