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Salisbury toxin results in - NOT Novichok, NOT Russian

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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 09:57 AM
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The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab

The toxin was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.

the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW)

the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts
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The anti-Russia narrative is quickly falling apart. Samples of the toxin used in the Salisbury attack were sent to a laboratory in Switzerland, which came to two interesting conclusions. First, it wasn't even Novichok. It was a toxin called BZ, for short. Second, this toxin has no history of production in Russia. It does, however, have a history of production in the US and UK. The Swiss laboratory sent their results to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW), who then neglected to include those important facts in its report.
Anyone wanna bet you won't see a peep about this from the MSM?
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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: trollz

No doubt the war hawks will be in here soon telling you how it's bullish#t because RT said it blah blah blah...

I look forward to the western MSM having to report this.


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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:18 AM
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RT as a source...

ok.

Where did the sample come from? Last I saw the UK was not releasing it to 3rd parties.

Languages...
If you look just below the video screen you will see a box that says original. Click it, select your native language and you will get the translation.
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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:24 AM
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Apart from not being Nov, it doesn't prove anything.

Nada.



posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: trollz

We won't hear a WORD about this from the MSM.

....but the whole Skirpal thing will still somehow be used against Russia.



posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:26 AM
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BZ

Featured in the movie Jacob's Ladder. Emphasis mine


3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate (QNB) — IUPAC name 1-azabicyclo[2.2.2]octan-3-yl hydroxy(diphenyl)acetate; US Army code EA-2277; NATO code BZ]; Soviet code Substance 78 — is an odorless military incapacitating agent.

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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
RT as a source...

ok.

Where did the sample come from? Last I saw the UK was not releasing it to 3rd parties.

Well, if you read the article, you'd see that the Swiss laboratory in question got the samples from the OPCW.

a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW)



posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:27 AM
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That's an interesting interpretation of events?
Everything I've read from independent sources says the opposite!
Perhaps they are more made up Kremlin stories!!

Link to independent analysis




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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:29 AM
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assuming that this tail is verified .

then using the " logic " of various posters in various threads previous

the perpetrators of the attack on mr and miss Skripal

CANNOT be the US or UK govt - nor any agency associated with either

go figure



posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: trollz

RT is a state run news source-so trusting it is almost the equivalent of trusting a known thief with your wallet.

I've seen RT and it's anti American rhetoric, and the world has seen what they do to dissident reporters.
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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: trollz

As we don't know how many labs tested the toxin for the OPCW to make it's finding I'd be interested to hear from the Swiss lab about their findings than believe Lavrov's narrative.



posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: trollz

I'm not sure I agree with your source on this, so I'll have to do what the President does, and go and call this FAKE NEWS. Therefore, I don't have to believe it. Isn't that how it works these days?



posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: MiddleInsite

well here is washington post..

the source is the same, associated press...

They are of course quoting Russia’s foreign minister..

so its a story about what HE SAID, but its not just RT saying it, its also AP..




Linky
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washington post has words under its title:
democracy dies in darkness.


or you could read it from ABC news...
or my local CBS station...

but its all Associated Press, and its all a statement from Russia, about a lab result we can't see.

but iys not just RT saying as much..
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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: trollz
RT is a state run news source-so trusting it is almost the equivalent of trusting a known thief with your wallet.

Every news outlet is "run" by something and someone. I'd much rather trust it than media controlled by corporations and private interests whose goals are literally to manipulate the entire nation for their own personal benefit.


originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
I've seen RT and it's anti American rhetoric

Compared to the garbage spewed by the American MSM, they look like saints.


originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
the world has seen what they do to dissident reporters.

Go ahead and show us some evidence of this. You think US reporters aren't routinely fired, harassed and otherwise punished for trying to be honest? You ever see the compilation videos of various news outlet reporters all reading the exact same script? What do you think happens to them if they attempt to say anything aside from what they're specifically told to say? No more job. In some cases, legal action. We've seen the videos of MSM outlets having "technical difficulties" as soon as someone goes outside the official script.





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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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BWAHAHAHA!!

The Russian narrative is falling apart and you source RT, as proof of that?!?!?!?!


That is like me saying “ the collusion narrative is falling apart. Trump said so!”



LMAO



posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: trollz

And PM May says ... OPPS!



posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Funny that you already knew what the OBVIOUS critisism about the story would be , yet still you choose to ignore the obvious. Lol


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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 11:10 AM
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ABC
CBS
Washington post

are also quoting the associated Press on this story.

I hope everyone realizes however the story hinges on...



The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said.

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I swear none of you can read anymore..
Or you would know this is from Reuters and AP..

but WE can NOT SEE the lab results.
So who knows.
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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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I revert back to my statements in other threads,

If the end goal was to kill this Dude why do it in such away that has so many issues with the delivery?.

It would always be found out that Russia did it as it was a bloody Nerve agent not a dagger in the back or a car crash, the whole thing just skinks of a setup.

Never mind though Tomahawks are smashing into foreign nations in the guise of world Police..


The reason they used such a nerve agent is its a psyop nothing more, It could bring back memories of cold war stand offs where red's under the beds was the fear of the day, the fact Russia is allied with Syria another fly in the ointment it was the believed to be the perfect way to sway public opinion...

Russia poisoned the geezer and Assad was "highly likely" to have used the Gas..


RA
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posted on Apr, 14 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: trollz

the lab in question is basically the highest regarded by international standards.. so they would have to say what the truth is.. As in now it's their turn to confirm or deny what the russian said they found.

Spiez is an OPCW laboratory
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