It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
While a few things have been mentioned and work in temporarily bringing this into a more equitable arrangement, no solution has worked permanently. We have yet to bring this to a 50/50 arrangement. Somewhere in all these continued encounters WE need to find the balance cause we know they are certainly not going to from "It's" side.
I say this from a strategic standpoint not an adversarial one.
It takes a village to raise a Phenomenon ;-)
It's rather obvious "they need us" or they'd just as easily be focusing on Raccoons or something else. "Most" people don't ask for a seat at this party, yet get blindsided unexpectedly into it anyways.
Not symbiosis but the way I was told was; "It takes one of them and one of us"
To advance their agenda they need "hands" on this side of the playing field. While they have limited ability to affect things in the "Human Physical" they do have some smarts we don't.
It can be a willing or unwilling partnership apparently. You can agree to whatever terms and proceed, or be tricked into it. If you won't there are billions of other humans to pick from.
The only achilles heel for them with that is IF they have to go groom another idiot it can set their timeline off and delay things. (What things I have no clue) However it is quite a big bargaining chip. Tipping the scales in the Humans favor.
Logic-ing your way thru interactions with the Phenomena as KPB mentioned, is work. Very decidedly un-fun for it. For us you just really can't have too many critical thinking skills or practice at it. So I've always seen that as an up-side to the whole mess.
KPB mentioned Shamanism. It's less like you just invite them in an they hang out for awhile, but more like a couple of tradesmen contracted to do a job and both going their separate ways once the job is complete. Your contract can be crap or very lucrative depending on your negotiating skills. The Phenomena absolutely only cares about what it has to anti up from it's end.
However since the Phenomena has many different aspects to it, manifests in multiple ways, we're STILL all like the blind guys patting our own parts not seeing the whole elephant. My schtick is, within everyones experiences with it CAN be found commonalities and THOSE give us knowledge, insight an tools.
Mercia Eliade did it in his book "Images and Symbols" with things that were the same in every culture. He was brilliant in doing so.
KPB gets the science aspect of it. He loves it and the Phenomena makes it just as complicated as it needs to be for him. I prefer the KISS theory cause while it's feeding me more traditional archaic stuff, I'm busy noting and probing it's faux-pas. Neither way is better or worse than the other.
But put the information together and either we'll "get it" or someone outside of all this will see what we don't and hopefully clue us in. Sorry for dragging you into my analogy KPB!!! Just the quickest way to make my point.
originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Whatsthisthen
Want to say more about the machine intelligence control layer?
It's definitely there.. pushing our innocent "faeries" and "sparks" around..
It seems to have evolved from natural forces like 10 billion years ago..
and it's been a royal pain the ass ever since.
Most people never realize it's there...
Most people never realize it's there...
Oh, I suppose the "demiurge" trope is a mirror of it.. but they got it all wrong.. i'm certain that "true information" about the vast alien machine intelligence that evolved 10 billion years ago is something it really doesn't want out there..
originally posted by: 808Funk
What does this phenomenon look like and where does it fit in with Ghost's, UFO,s, Different Dimensions and Time Slips and if it is true then it makes the structured world of governments, banks, show business,sport and getting on the property ladder or being top dog at your job unimportant.