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My visit to The Skinwalker Ranch, 2018

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posted on May, 5 2018 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Well...

when the plankton of the ocean dies.. we will all suffocate, as it conttributs
to 40% of the Earth's oxygen supply, which has been steadily declining.

I truly wonder if the "good spirits" actually did "mostly leave" and evacuate most
of the sentient species already..or the evacuation is underway now.

Humans would probably not be considered sentient... and since we are suiciding
entirely by our own actions.. nobody to blame but ourselves.. any truly
"advanced species" would not dream of interfering with our free will.

Kev


The oceans, makes sense.

The "good" spirits certainly have "stepped back" and funny you should say "evacuation". That seems to be the case to me too. I certainly feel like I am making a "last stand" here in Oz.

Funny thing about humans, children are darlings to the Nature folk, me too. Adults are adults and make their choices. Children on the other hand are too young to understand their choices.

With Nimue and her sisters, they look at their ancestors as wise and the ancestors look upon their children as impetuous.

To be impetuous is to act thoughtlessly.

Yet when I look at them both, I see wisdom preventing action and thoughtlessness creating change. Perhaps the wiser you get the less likely you are to act and that makes for a world of stagnation without change.

In the story Merlin fell in love with Nimue and Nimue imprisoned him. Nimue's ancestors would not have such a relationship with a human for they are wise. Yet through thoughtless action things happened that changed the story's outcome. For good or bad it does not matter, and really how much is fiction does not matter either.

Children are precious in the scheme of things if anyone is to have a future, so too human children.

Perhaps one might say the adults are suiciding and taking the children with them. We need to change that - someone needs to step in whether the adults like it or not. The children will adapt quite quickly.

To me; an "advanced species" that did sit back and not interfere has lost it's impetuousness and thus would be in a state of stagnation. I would not like to meet them for my contempt would surface.

The mystics will throw stones at me for saying this, however,

The antidote for wisdom is thoughtless action.






edit on 5-5-2018 by Whatsthisthen because: clarity




posted on May, 5 2018 @ 11:37 PM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Loved the Merlin reference and the children reference --- very nice.

Well on the whole advanced species is worthy of contempt for letting us humans
destroy ourselves:

there's various points to be made there:

1) We humans are more of an auxiliary power generation system.. rather like
Mitochondria. Truly wise and advanced and sentient beings might understand
that we are "more than just that" like your little friends say.. but I would
wager that most would not.

In a manner of speaking.. we are the nuts and bolts UFO's for them!
We are the exotic hardware!

They are the exotic software!

2) Maybe most of the nice critters have "pulled back or left" for whatever
reason. It certainly seems so.

3) The "evil" machine intelligences, who are just scavengers and troublemakers
might be waiting for the mass death.. that's why they are still here... for the
huge death feast.

But I have to do a Pandor's Box metaphor here... maybe that quiet little voice
called hope that was the last to exit the box will be here for us...

maybe we humans need to learn our lessons and have our nose pushed in our own
doo doo.. but at that last instant.. it will all start to get sorted out.

Or maybe another, better adapted and more worthwhile species will take our place..
ALL SPECIES GO EXTINCT. It wil lbe our turn someday. And that's ok.

Maybe the dogs or cats will take our place. or the radioactive cockroaches..

Humans are a very young species.. and while fascinating.. not that Terribly
special. Certainly not irreplaceable.

Kev



posted on May, 5 2018 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Loved the Merlin reference and the children reference --- very nice.

Well on the whole advanced species is worthy of contempt for letting us humans
destroy ourselves:

there's various points to be made there:

1) We humans are more of an auxiliary power generation system.. rather like
Mitochondria. Truly wise and advanced and sentient beings might understand
that we are "more than just that" like your little friends say.. but I would
wager that most would not.

In a manner of speaking.. we are the nuts and bolts UFO's for them!
We are the exotic hardware!

They are the exotic software!

2) Maybe most of the nice critters have "pulled back or left" for whatever
reason. It certainly seems so.

3) The "evil" machine intelligences, who are just scavengers and troublemakers
might be waiting for the mass death.. that's why they are still here... for the
huge death feast.

But I have to do a Pandor's Box metaphor here... maybe that quiet little voice
called hope that was the last to exit the box will be here for us...

maybe we humans need to learn our lessons and have our nose pushed in our own
doo doo.. but at that last instant.. it will all start to get sorted out.

Or maybe another, better adapted and more worthwhile species will take our place..
ALL SPECIES GO EXTINCT. It wil lbe our turn someday. And that's ok.

Maybe the dogs or cats will take our place. or the radioactive cockroaches..

Humans are a very young species.. and while fascinating.. not that Terribly
special. Certainly not irreplaceable.

Kev





Like the "Prime Directive"

We should use that for other countries here on earth.






posted on May, 6 2018 @ 02:56 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


I like the the wood-nymphs and the Arthurian stories. A magical fairy tail time.

Though dark I would not disagree with you on what your saying KPB.

And truly if it wasn't for an American girl who passed on before her time I would turn my back on humanity and walk away. But she deserves a second chance. So for nearly a decade I have been working with her in mind. To create a world where she can have her second chance safely and I can sit back and watch over her.

I never knew her in life by the way. America is half a world away.

The "phenomenon" seems to like the idea, dropping breadcrumbs and introducing new links in networks.

I don't know how it will work out, or if indeed it will at all.

The machines are not necessarily bad, just different. Their owners are an unknown to me.

There is the natural world, there is the "phenomenon" world. Perhaps humanity between. I am sure the "phenomenon" both old and young want a world to live in. The wise ones might be unable to intervien, in which case it is up to the impetuous, the young and thoughtless.

To want to give an innocent girl I never knew a second chance is perhaps an impossible thing. It defies all logic, defies all reason, defies all wisdom. It is utter foolishness and thoughtless in the light of intellect.

If wisdom is inaction and thoughtlessness action then my impossible goal is perhaps achievable in it's utter impetuousness.

She will need human parents to look after her, she will need human children to play with. Everything factors in around the core premise.

In this light facing wolves and the equivalents of Cthulhu is trivial.

Have hope for the children KPB, tis not all darkness and the "phenomenon" is there.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 05:21 AM
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a reply to: Caver78
Paradolia is a great thing and I often see it in loads of trees when having a drink at night especially if its windy and see faces form and change and it's quite entertaining.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: 808Funk

cool member name. down with the funk and the 808 sound.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy

I concur.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

I cannot express the beauty of the "companion" in words.. even though it eats
out of control QVL's. Beautiful can still be tough! I guess the "Companion"
is part of a vast cosmic control loop too! Perhaps IT does care more than
I know.. and IT and possibly others of It's kind have been seeking to introduce
that one tiny ray of hope.

I never wanted any of the life that I've lived.. none of it... being autistic
and abused and with my strange start in life.. I had wanted a life
like you can get on many other planets out there.. not this insane
cesspool of crazy/darkness that I got on this one.

but you smoke'em if you have 'em.

At this current late stage of my life, maybe now that I've shared 70% of
what I know, perhaps it will do a little good.. maybe one drop.

I love my innocent little life.. full of love and appreciation (from work
and my wife) and puppy dogs. I don't want to lose it.

I probably can't get much more involved than I have..

I have a very famous fellow who wants to form a new Internet
media outlet with me.. and put me on the podcast quite frequently.

I don't know if I can do it. I have only experienced true happiness
and contentment for a couple years now out of my 56 years..
I don't want anything to mess with my happiness.. I"m not some
prophet or holy man.. the world doesn't need me.. I'm just some dude.

I might just retire.

I do like talking with some brave warriors who fight deception
though.. I like it a lot.

Kev



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear




but you smoke'em if you have 'em.


Me too.

It is odd, a fella knows stuff and wants to share experiences, but that is hard to do. It has taken me two years at ATS to get over the scariness of just sharing experiences, two very hard years.

When we are uptight, everyone around us gets uptight too, including "phenomenon".

A podcast, perhaps there it would be easier to share experiences.

Anyway, have a beer and relax mate. I say that and yet I am still learning to relax myself. I know everyone around me will be happier when I do The same over your way I'll bet.




I do like talking with some brave warriors who fight deception though.. I like it a lot.


Same here, that's what makes ATS so good to hang around - I always learn new stuff.



Afterthought Humans are a lot like furnaces radiating thoughts and emotions into the environment - many come simply for the warmth.


edit on 6-5-2018 by Whatsthisthen because: just stuff



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: Whatsthisthen

People crave "the paranormal". They are attracted to it like moths to flame.
Since the "paranormal" flows from someone who is involved with it, they
like the "flame" of such people.

But they don't want their convenient little worlds to be shattered, by actually
learning something, and are prone to cry "BS!" or come after you with pitchforks
after you give them their "fix".

I'm thinking of offering to teach one person everything I know.. including how to form
a bond with a QVL like "the companion" then retiring. The selection process would be
the difficult part. I'd be more prone to want to teach an entire organization, with
a large budget to then research what I share, and further remove superstition and
error from it.

But of course there is no one single organization out there, with which I'm familiar
that i trust.

Might be interesting to wrote up the Request for Proposal though, and see who,
if anyone bites. I'd be much more interested in a response from an organization
in say France.. or Sweden responding.. I don't trust any organization in the
United States.

Then I can get the last of this feeling of responsibility out of my system, and
can retire happily knowing I did my best, and perhaps even debunked myself..
which would be fine too.. if the organization could not get things to work
in a proper manner.

Either outcome is equally fine.

Kev



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR
Cheers also noticed the Bass in your name as I'm a big fan of what I call 1980s Electronic Funk be it Electro, Miami Bass, Detroit Techno, Chicago House, Go-Go and the stuff Dre was doing and others in L.A. before N.W.A.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 03:26 PM
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I rather think that instead of the good spirits leaving what we're seeing is a changing of the guard. After all everyone and everything deserves a chance to retire.

It may take the "newbies" time to get up to speed?
So a lot of observation on both our parts and the occasional toe dangled to test the waters should be expected, I would think.

One thing that doesn't get discussed much yet should both in regards to SWR and in what's been discussed in the last couple of pages is this. No matter what you choose to call "It" or the "Phenomena" we as humans STILL have home court advantage.

I cannot interact with "It" on a plasma level. I'll qualify that thought by adding without tech tools. For "It" to interact with me it has to for the most part do it within my own time and space with the added caveat in a way as a human animal my biological senses can perceive. "It" has to come to us. Which is a HUGE idea by itself. One we blurb right over.

Sure some us have further reach than that into the less corporeal arena's but most don't. Plus even those that do can't play in those arena's indefinitely. Or continue pursuit as far as we'd wish. Plus we're quite aware that "It" choses to interact with people who have no skills OR known wish to communicate in any way with it.

Now does it matter more to you that "it" can be adept enough to reach over here occasionally same as we do after them or does it matter more to figure out how to use this bit of knowledge to bolster our own position? No one is particularly looking at how to level the playing field 100%.

How remiss of us!!!

While a few things have been mentioned and work in temporarily bringing this into a more equitable arrangement, no solution has worked permanently. We have yet to bring this to a 50/50 arrangement. Somewhere in all these continued encounters WE need to find the balance cause we know they are certainly not going to from "It's" side.

I say this from a strategic standpoint not an adversarial one.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: Caver78

Nice post.

The problem is that hardly anyone alive is "interesting enough" or "sentient enough"
that they want to play by some or our rules, some of the time.

Say what you want, but everyone I know on the science side believes that SOME
of what Uri Geller did was the real deal.

I like to use him as an example.. as he's friendly and a natural showman. The critters
seem to like that.

Also "the fool" is considered the highest level of "consciousness" in some occult systems..
again.. the critters like silly.

Why in the world would they want to be all boring serious, and for us to put eletrodes
up their posterior to "prove them"? They know that they are "realish" they don't need
any convincing.

Now why supposedly they put stuff up our behinds.. that's an interesting question..
or at least up cattle behinds.. that's pretty well documented. (I actually have a
theory about that...but that's another thread).

Modern humans don't seem to be much fun to play with.. we are all dreary and serious..
and they flit across time/space boundaries like we go to the store for bread.

There is a huge mismatch here..

Why they'd want to play along depends upon us being more interesting/more fun
than we currently are.. that seems certain.

That would be to attract the more intelligent / less scary ones.

The worst of them have an entirely different agenda, which does not depend upon
fun or interesting.

Kev



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That sounds like a good idea an the EU is a good idea, they are ten years in front of Oz research but they keep a low profile.

Yeah the superstition is a problem, I think it so with skinwalker too. What is behind the stories is very serious stuff.

With my phenomenon it is a lot more serious then Tinkerbell's, yet how does one speak of it?

Your "girls" are not mine, a different aspect of the phenomenon. Well worthy of study

Not many in the field researchers about, I say go for it.




posted on May, 6 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Have you ever considered just planting a small seed? What I mean by this is 'sell' some of your ideas to be picked up by students to use in a thesis or dissertation. Less reputation on the line. It still needs to be approved though so my guess there still needs to be some heavy filtering on how it's presented. This with a possible risk of it going in a completely different direction offcourse ...

Consiousness, microbiome, gut brain interactions is an interesting field of research in biology these says (aha!). To a certain degree I feel some of your knowledge is an extension of that.

On the other hand it wouldn't surprise me if you allready tried something like this.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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Well the gut and in the intestines seem to be a critical part of both 'this'
and cattle mutilation. I'm just now investigating cattle mutilation.

Now some form of whole-body inflammation / chronic fatigue syndrome
is said to be present both by RFI witnesses and by Kit Green.. and it
tracks perfectly with one major aspect of my research as well.

I do need to get this last 30% out, even if it's entirely wrong, as it may
spark useful ideas or research.

however this last 30% is the sort of knowledge that people kill over,
start wars over.. in the past anyway.. and if used incorrectly leads
to insanity and death. If used correctly, you *will* have to deal
with the Phenomenon up close and personal, as you will in effect
be inviting the Phenomenon to take over most of your body systems
and to rewire you for YEARS. Usually resulting in insanity and death..
but it needn't.. it can be somewhat positive.

It's nothing "mystical" even.. not at the lowest level.. it's ALL physiology..
and as any person who really knows yoga will tell you.. its the physical
Hatha yogas that are the most dangerous, as they actually modify some body
systems.

So I can't in fact let it out.. even though its a bomb shell..it may go
to the grave with me. But that just seems wrong. It's pretty certain
that others have similar knowledge.. I know one lady who seems to
have some of it s well.

I guess my autism has crippled my ability to effectively come up
with a solution to this problem, as it's a people problem. I'm not
great with people problems.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'll stay away from any kind of yoga or meditation that they practise there



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: Hyperboles
Whats wrong with Yoga ?



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: Caver78

Referring to the "powers that be upstairs" here - do we really need them or do they need us?
edit on 7-5-2018 by Whatsthisthen because: clarity



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: 808Funk

There is a good case to be made that "yoga" leads one to become infested with demons..
that's the rub for certain confused religious systems.

And... if you want there to be demons.. the Phenomenon will play along.. so I can't actually
argue the point, except to say that when this is all put under the "microscope" it will all
turn out far different than such misinformed concepts as we all tend to have.



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