My visit to The Skinwalker Ranch, 2018

originally posted by: The GUT
The Phenomenon + Active Deception article comes across a little "don't expect much in the way of proof" for your money. Jus' sayin'.

That's "The Trickster" paradigm of interpretation. Also found in analysis of the Casteneda shamanic lore.

originally posted by: Timely
The beauty is ...

The truth will never be known ... for sure.

This started in pre biblical times.

The truth has been erased and obfuscated, re-written by victors and scorn cast by various Religions.

Maybe it is time that we set a new set of governance.

Based on us as a whole ... in 2018.

Re-evaluate !

( that will be my catch call )

The only problem is when the wisdom of the ancients is mentioned.
We hear that ...
The populace - at that time employed some seriously good masons !

Should we seek masonic guidance ?

( not you AM ! )

Or give it up to the carpenters ?

( apologies to those with any eating disorders. )


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originally posted by: Timely
a reply to: BotheLumberJack

Like a never ending radio thriller ... !

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Exactly but so much better! This stuff interests me to no end! I've got a lot of reading up to do on this.

a reply to: mirageman

Hey MM,

maybe it could have been an itchy trigger finger scenario, where an armed guard was freaked out by something he saw or thought he saw or was just nerves due to the nature of the place and opened fire and others followed suit? But the reality is that there wasn't anything there other than a nervous armed guard who fired into the darkness due to all the stories they had heard about the place...

I know it's not very romantic / interesting but its a possibility and the Chinese whispers aspect could have padded out the story more that what it actually was?

Just pondering...

I believe both John Alexander and Grant Cameron have stated their opinion that Skinwalker, like other paranormal phenomena, needs to be interpreted relative to Consciousness itself and not to Physics. Hence the phenomenon's elusiveness and resistance to "scientific" proof.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Nobody knows for sure. It seems like one of those friend of a friend stories with an untraceable original source.

originally posted by: srb2001

originally posted by: The GUT
The Phenomenon + Active Deception article comes across a little "don't expect much in the way of proof" for your money. Jus' sayin'.

That's "The Trickster" paradigm of interpretation. Also found in analysis of the Casteneda shamanic lore.

I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a few different kinds of "tricksters" involved in this project.

When indy media gets involved, things spin rapidly out of control.

a reply to: The GUT

But isn't it fascinating that the "UFOs" do not seem to possess the ability
to shut down diesel engines? It's been fairly well established.

Kev

PS: update: diesel engines are highly resistant, but are apparently
somewhat affected, sometimes. Still a very notable piece of data.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Where is that documented? You think we could defeat them with a diesel powered spaceship Fleet?

a reply to: dashen

www.nicap.org...

JV also has case studies noting that diesels are highly resistant.

This definitely puts this in the realm of science, and somewhat out of
the realm of "metaphysics".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Diesel engines don't require electricity to operate (no spark plugs) and are therefore impervious to EMF or other forms of electrical interference. I'm guessing that's the answer to that one...

ETA: I want to clarify that some/most modern diesel engines are not as "impervious" as the older systems. If an engine has an electronic fuel pump and/or electronic fuel injection rather than mechanical pump and injectors it could be shut down with electrical interference, the injectors would stop supplying fuel to the cylinders.

a reply to: Springer

Yes sir!

The reason that I love the diesel engine thing.. is to demonstrate that "UFO's"
are not "magical". They follow the laws of physics just like everything else.

and its only little clues like this, that demonstrate this.

We have SO FEW good clues..

Kev

a reply to: dashen

I'm curious who you want to shoot at with diesel-powered spacecraft!

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: mirageman

480 acres couldn't have been cheap!

Unless "haunted ranches" sell for pennies on the dollar!

Kev

So far nobody has mentioned this other "Haunted Ranch," this one in Arizona. It boasts of repeated alien incursions, and a dimensional portal. And it's for sale.

www.ibtimes.com...

Apparently Bigelow was interested in this ranch and sent a team out to look at it. But ultimately he decided not to buy it. Don't know why.

alienranch.weebly.com...

a reply to: RobertSheaffer

Maybe one haunted ranch was enough?

And even that one.. he let it go..

Just from what I know, it seems he didn't get what he wanted..

Kev

a reply to: RobertSheaffer

Bigelow's crew reportedly did a preliminary investigation of Stardust Ranch and had some interest in it. Afterwards, I heard that Bigelow wanted to do a LOT of digging into the ground and made a lowball offer, so the owner turned him down.

On a related note, Ghost Adventures investigated Stardust several years ago. Apparently about a year ago they asked to investigate Skinwalker and were turned down. No surprise there, aside from the secrecy and security there, the GA crew are like the Three Stooges of the paranormal.

I also heard that after Adamantium took over the ranch, they purchased an additional 518 acres on the east side of the ranch from the Utes, who were renting the land to a local rancher

a reply to: vlawde

Bigelow wanted to do a LOT of digging into the ground

Kev

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
Jeremy Corbell's Patient Seventeen left a lot to be desired in the way of hard scientific evidence. For example, in his lecture/screening in Copenhagen he says "and there will probably be a part 2 after we get the sample back and we will find out and prove definitively one way or the other what this is." Contamination of the sample was given as the possible reason for the results. I've yet to see any update to the hopefully unbiased independent study of the sample.

At the end of Patient Seventeen, Corbell basically says that Steven Colbern is still hanging on to the sample, and will not allow it to be retested.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If diesel engines didn't use spark plugs and batteries.