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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Attorney-Client privilege does not apply in all circumstances. It depends on whether or not a crime was potentially committed, planned, etc, between the client and the lawyer, as just one example.
In that case, that privilege no longer exists.
My point is, in the grand scheme of things if we're going to allow dragnet "gather them all and review each one" style of evidence collection, in the name of determining what is and what is not protected personal information, then what's the damn point of anything being considered attorney-client privilege? Privacy rights *should* mean that the majority of things in your life which you don't want to share can't be shared with any other human being other than those you specifically choose.
Bottom line, the FBI's excuse for doing this isn't a crime with a direct victim... They're not investigating a murder or death, nobody lost their life savings here, and it strikes me that they're going after some sort of "OMG, money changed hands to avoid something legal but potentially damaging from getting out" scenario which happens daily in politics and the corporate world with absolutely NO prosecution. Those aren't situations important enough to violate privacy and attorney-client privilege while a bunch of spooks play Columbo.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert
My issue is that my tax dollars are being wasted on a trolling exercise. Not much difference between my distaste for that and, say, someone complaining about wasting tax dollars going after some dude who's found in possession of a joint.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Attorney-Client privilege does not apply in all circumstances. It depends on whether or not a crime was potentially committed, planned, etc, between the client and the lawyer, as just one example.
In that case, that privilege no longer exists.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert
You're vocalizing my issue. Our legal system is not supposed to be used in the manner which this dragnet is using it. If they applied this scrutiny to everyone, we would be living in a dystopian hell where the feds could ensure anyone they wanted to jail would have something found on them. It's not equal protection under the law.
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: gariac
Strange article. Reminds me of the (non-existent) "Comey notes" that snookered so many gullibles.
originally posted by: DJMSN
I can imagine that Executive Privilege could come into play as well, after the alleged tapes are between the Presidents advisors and his lawyer so some argument could be made
originally posted by: Allaroundyou
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert
You're vocalizing my issue. Our legal system is not supposed to be used in the manner which this dragnet is using it. If they applied this scrutiny to everyone, we would be living in a dystopian hell where the feds could ensure anyone they wanted to jail would have something found on them. It's not equal protection under the law.
This simple action that the FBI has taken to secure a warrant thanks to the prosecutor and judge of New York has been used many times. The completely legal action and act of doing so was used. If you are truly disgusted by that legal move then I suggest you take your complaint and send it to the your local congress person. And also if for one second you believe that we are not already living in “their” dystopian world than you have failed.
I think the issue with most people with knowledge of law are the tactics which are typically used for mob bosses and drug lords. Are raid like this others would typically happen when all legal avenues are exhausted and the person is at flight risk. Cohen has been cooperative and a subpoena would suffice. We still don't even know what the alleged crime is. There still a lot to learn here and a lot of people are jumping to conclusions.