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Communications between Trump and Mueller break down.

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posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

I do not disagree that trumps status as subject and not target is subject to change without notice. I will find it hard to believe that transition in this short amount of time. Mueller won't be able to justify a status change simply because one asserts a 5th amendment right to not self incriminate. Obstruction needs intent (lol imagine that trump walking because lack of intent) without trump telling what his intent was mueller has no way of knowing.
www.law.cornell.edu...
but I am not a lawyer so who knows....




posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme



WASHINGTON — Federal investigators are scrutinizing whether any of Jared Kushner's business discussions with foreigners during the presidential transition later shaped White House policies in ways designed to either benefit or retaliate against those he spoke with, according to witnesses and other people familiar with the investigation.


Mueller team asking if Kushner foreign business ties influenced Trump policy - NBC news


A federal grand jury in Washington has approved the first criminal charges in the special counsel’s investigation into Russian election interference, two sources told NBC News, marking a significant milestone in an inquiry that has roiled Donald Trump’s presidency.


Robert Mueller's Office Will Issue First Indictment Monday, Sources Confirm


A Middle East specialist with ties to Donald Trump’s team attended secret meetings during the presidential transition between the United Arab Emirates and Trump associates, and is now cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller, two people familiar with the matter say.


‘Man of mystery’ cooperating with Mueller - CBS 6 local news


The law enforcement investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign has identified a current White House official as a significant person of interest, showing that the probe is reaching into the highest levels of government, according to people familiar with the matter.


Russia probe reaches current White House official, people familiar with the case say - WaPo


A source familiar with the matter told Reuters that Mueller was investigating whether anyone at the meeting or affiliated with the Trump campaign encouraged Russia to release damaging material it had collected on Clinton. Another told the outlet that Mueller was trying to determine if Trump had been informed of the meeting ahead of time, or if he was briefed after it took place.


Special Counsel Robert Mueller Reportedly Assembles Grand Jury, Ramping Up Russia Probe - HuffPo

But, ya know, who's keeping track?



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MiddleInsite




if Mueller ever gets fired, believe it or not, I expect Congress will just rehire him and have him finish out the investigation. It is within their power. But then where would that leave Trump?


That is what is known as a constitutional crisis.
I think they've had enough. If Mueller finds he obstructed justice they will act.
If he finds he did not obstruct justice then trump can relax. Conspiracy though worse is harder to prove.


Your Statements sound like a "pre" disclaimer in the works.

Just like in 1933 Germany

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posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

I doubt anyone from the sixties is still in the government.



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Oh yeah cuz he such a publicity hound. Have you ever even heard him speak?
Other than video archives? Has he said one word about this investigation? Been on the news? Had any interviews with Anderson Cooper?



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Thank god they have another 'man of mystery'...# they will be saying batboy was Trumps kid next....



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I think they were in the final stages of setting up the interview but then Monday happened and trump shut down.



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

'intent' would mean , y'know, Intending to do something ...
having à plan ...Trump ! ...Captain Chaos ...a plan !?

Unintentional obstruction of justice

That sounds flyable as à défense




posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Silly Indeed . Do you go to Bed at Night and Dream of a Trump Impeachment ? I Bet You Do.......



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Sillyolme

www.nbcnews.com...

I'll see if I can find another.


BwaaaHaHaHa

from ze sourzes ....


according to multiple people familiar with the matter
www.nbcnews.com...






Would you rather no people unfamiliar with the matter talking about it?



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Oh yeah cuz he such a publicity hound. Have you ever even heard him speak?
Other than video archives? Has he said one word about this investigation? Been on the news? Had any interviews with Anderson Cooper?


No. He hired the leakiest boat in the Armada to shepherd his investigation through to the Promised Land. He has no need to speak publicly...he has the lackeys.



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I fantasize dream about Trump in an orange jumpsuit

Feeling better now ?



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Sillyolme

www.nbcnews.com...

I'll see if I can find another.


BwaaaHaHaHa

from ze sourzes ....


according to multiple people familiar with the matter
www.nbcnews.com...






Would you rather no people unfamiliar with the matter talking about it?


huh what?

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posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: dawnstar

Well that would be distressing. What a friggin waste of time and money if it turns out he was just having a hissy fit. What does it say about his ability to be a responsible leader.
Or his mental makeup?


The left has been throwing one long hissy fit since the election.. First it was a recount the machines were rigged, then it was the whole cry baby popular vote thing, then petitioning the electoral college and actually threatening the voters.

then Russia must have rigged it with him, now its well he may have screwed a hooker.

Jesus talk about the epic 2 year long effing cry baby hissy fit .
edit on 12-4-2018 by notsure1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 06:36 PM
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From the nbc Link



Three sources familiar with the investigation said the findings Mueller has collected on Trump’s attempts to obstruct justice include: His intent to fire former FBI Director James Comey; his role in the crafting of a misleading public statement on the nature of a June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between his son and Russians;Trump’s dangling of pardons before grand jury witnesses who might testify against him; and pressuring Attorney General Jeff Sessions not to recuse himself from the Russia investigation.


All unintentional



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Your assuming he hasn’t been a target the whole time...

They tell everyone they want to interview they are not a target.. no one would ever speak to them if they were.



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

believe what you like, I do not think it is legal for muellers team to lie.......
but there is this...
thehill.com...



Apparently, Peter Strzok, the FBI agent who conducted Flynn’s January 2017 interview, believed Flynn had been truthful. Reportedly, the FBI decided to take no action. On March 2, then-FBI director James Comey confirmed this to the House Intelligence Committee. In light of this, questions are being asked about the nature of Flynn’s guilty plea: whether the special counsel made Flynn aware of Strzok’s assessment; and, if not, whether he had an ethical, if not a legal, obligation to do so.

Mueller could get away with this behavior internally at the fbi, but now you know why manaforts team has challenged his charges, and also why the judge in flynns case has DEMANDED ALL of the evidence used to get flynn to plea guilty.

If this is the only avenue mueller has to obtain justice, it is not worth it.



As a former FBI agent, I believe the answers lie in an examination of the FBI’s disciplinary system under Mueller. In fact, this obscure Mueller process may well hold the key to understanding why Flynn’s guilty plea may be less a reflection of Flynn’s level of candor than a product of Mueller’s aggressive tactics — particularly, the tactic of using disingenuous allegations of lying to decide judicial matters.




My observation, and that of others, found that Mueller’s system engaged several astounding and potentially unlawful practices such as disingenuously charging employees with lying, misrepresenting or omitting evidence to support such charges, and preventing the acquisition of evidence to refute such charges.

If this is true, how they put this man in charge of an investigation this important is beyond me.
This is one investigation that has to be completely above board.



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 07:07 PM
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Communications between Trump and Mueller break down.


I've been reading this title all day and the only thing going through my mind is. . .





posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: seeker1963

I doubt anyone from the sixties is still in the government.

Bernie Sanders? Just off the top of my head.



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Sillyolme



WASHINGTON — Federal investigators are scrutinizing whether any of Jared Kushner's business discussions with foreigners during the presidential transition later shaped White House policies in ways designed to either benefit or retaliate against those he spoke with, according to witnesses and other people familiar with the investigation.


Mueller team asking if Kushner foreign business ties influenced Trump policy - NBC news


A federal grand jury in Washington has approved the first criminal charges in the special counsel’s investigation into Russian election interference, two sources told NBC News, marking a significant milestone in an inquiry that has roiled Donald Trump’s presidency.


Robert Mueller's Office Will Issue First Indictment Monday, Sources Confirm


A Middle East specialist with ties to Donald Trump’s team attended secret meetings during the presidential transition between the United Arab Emirates and Trump associates, and is now cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller, two people familiar with the matter say.


‘Man of mystery’ cooperating with Mueller - CBS 6 local news


The law enforcement investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign has identified a current White House official as a significant person of interest, showing that the probe is reaching into the highest levels of government, according to people familiar with the matter.


Russia probe reaches current White House official, people familiar with the case say - WaPo


A source familiar with the matter told Reuters that Mueller was investigating whether anyone at the meeting or affiliated with the Trump campaign encouraged Russia to release damaging material it had collected on Clinton. Another told the outlet that Mueller was trying to determine if Trump had been informed of the meeting ahead of time, or if he was briefed after it took place.


Special Counsel Robert Mueller Reportedly Assembles Grand Jury, Ramping Up Russia Probe - HuffPo

But, ya know, who's keeping track?


I’ve given her the same run down but I don’t think she reads it because it conflicts with her programming.

Doesn’t read sources or links just throws it and sees what sticks.



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