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originally posted by: LightAssassin
a reply to: Sheye
AAhh.....when Jesus stepped into an alien spacecraft.
originally posted by: dug88
originally posted by: Sheye
Acts 1:11
11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
So he'll come back nailed to a cross??
originally posted by: LightAssassin
a reply to: DpatC
It wasnt sarcasm.....It was a serious comment.
originally posted by: DpatC
Thanks for all the replys but nope, but everything seems circumstantial. I can see how some may be convinced on Jesus's return, but nope Im looking for a direct quote or paragraph that talks directly about his return....Logic tells me that Jesus's "successor" will be someone who represents the Light of Life. Now there ain't many people in creation who can represent th Light of Life. It's either a family or the Creator himself - not Jesus, he's only the Light of the World not LIFE
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
Jesus will return. He has promised.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
There is only one Jesus and we must hold anyone who claims to be him against the true Jesus. Jesus will only come back in the way He has promised in the Bible.
On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.
If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him. Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.
All this I have spoken to you while I am still with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming, and he has no claim on Me. But I do exactly what the Father has commanded Me, so that the world may know that I love the Father.
Get up! Let us go on from here.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
I don’t want to fight with you, perhaps we can discuss this. Through my life I learn more all the time about Jesus and the Bible. No one ever knows everything the Bible is saying for we are only human. It’s good to have discussions with each other as this is what the body/human church is all about – to fellowship which is where growth, support, love and insights occur.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
Jesus proclaimed himself as the son of Man, as the son of God and as God. These verses may help. I only go by what the Bible says and don’t put my own spin on things. And if I am called out in error I will investigate the point further. I am no expert.
Jesus is the son of Man –
Jesus Christ describes himself as Son of Man to stress his humanity Mt 8:20 pp Lk 9:58 See also Mt 11:19 pp Lk 7:34; Mt 16:13,15; Lk 6:22; Jn 9:35
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
Jesus is the son of God -
Luke 1:35, John 10:36,
Mark 1:1
John the Baptist Prepares the Way
1 The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah,[a] the Son of God,
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
Jesus is God -
Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
When you say only a few of us will survive anyway, and what does it matter – what do you mean? Anyone who has Jesus as their Savior will be saved. My body will someday die, that is a given no matter what happens on this earth. I personally believe in the Rapture and if I am still alive when that occurs then my body will not die. But, regardless my soul will live on forever in the presence of God and all His glory and in eternal peace/love/joy/wonder. We are spirit beings trapped in this human body.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
a reply to: EasternShadow
Hi EasternShadow ☺
I am curious – are you affiliated with any specific faith group? I am not. I have been to many churches (Baptist, Anglican, Catholic, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Catholic, Evangelical, non-denominational), looked up which church I would like to join, but have come to the conclusion I don’t wish to belong to a building in which they have a set stance of core beliefs because most of them insist you have to have or believe something of their own take on what the Bible says and I do not wish to represent something manmade about their rules interpreted of what has to happen, i.e. I do not speak in tongues. I would like to, but it has never happened to me. Maybe it will someday.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
I do believe it is a gift of the Holy Spirit.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
I believe in water baptism but I don’t believe that anyone will lose eternal life if they decide to have a water baptism but at the moment are in some desert and then die. I don’t believe babies have to be baptized.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
And so, I don’t belong to any church, or any man-made organization of religion. My church is Jesus, his words and the Bible.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
The fact that Jesus came down to earth, grew as a human with all the desires and temptations as a man, but lived with a purity and sinless life He was the only one that ever was perfect. Jesus does not need to say that He is the son of God, because God Himself said it:
Matthew 3:17, “And a voice from heaven said, "This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy."
Demons also recognized Jesus as the son of God: Matthew 8:29 “And suddenly they cried out, saying, 'What have we to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God?”
Jesus has all authority, no one else does:
Matthew 28:18, “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
The name of Jesus means Mighty God: Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
The name of Jesus means God: John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
The name Jesus appears to have been in use in Palestine at the time of the birth of Jesus.[2][14] Moreover, Philo's reference in Mutatione Nominum item 121 to Joshua (Ἰησοῦς) meaning salvation (σωτηρία) of the Lord indicates that the etymology of Joshua was known outside Palestine.[15] Other historical figures named Jesus include Jesus Barabbas, Jesus ben Ananias and Jesus ben Sirach.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
Jesus is God, he has the power to create life - Acts 3:15, “And you killed the Author of Life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.”
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
And Jesus replied, "I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
Jesus is love, God is love –.
The first who propose preexisting Jesus was Arius to form Arianism. This view is considered heretical even to this day.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
The Bible tells us that no matter what we do is not enough to redeem ourselves.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
And, in fact it dilutes the message of what Jesus did to save us. Why would He have to die and suffer such humiliation and bodily torment, and be separated from God at the moment of judgement on the cross if we still had to work to attain saving?
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
And, if we were to have the ability to work our way to redemption then who is to say that we have worked hard enough? Had true love in our hearts? We are all damaged by this earthly existence, both in the way we think, our ego, how we have been treated. We can never act with pure love as God would see as pure, and we will always fail. We can try but somehow, someway we will always fail – by the creeping thoughts that malign another even in our act of love, by the subconscious behavior that makes us say/do something even when we don’t realize it even as we are behaving in love, sometimes we act with love towards another for selfish reasons – because we need the love or because we think it’s the right thing to do but the actual genuine full heart isn’t the one involved, it is our need for recognition/thinking we have to do it, and not everyone can even comprehend what love is for they have never been shown how to demonstrate love, or been loved. Love is trained by everything on this earth. How many people are in love with another human but it’s actually a self-serving need to be needed/acknowledged/is lust/loneliness. That’s not the kind of love that Jesus meant, but many wouldn’t realize it. There is no way we as humans can demonstrate the pure love that Jesus meant. We can try, but that is all we will ever do is try. And some will act out of pure love but it’s fleeting, and/or just blips of time in our long life. Jesus is the ultimate perfection of love and sinless nature. We can be saved through Him only.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
There will be those who will not be saved, who say the right things but don’t mean it in their heart. Jesus knows the heart of everyone, we can hide nothing from him.
Matthew 7:21-23 I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
I believe everyone who means what they say in their heart, those who have truly repented will be saved, including pedophilia. No one is better or less than another. Sin is sin to God. God loves the individual but hates the sin. Sin cannot enter Heaven, but the sinner’s sins are erased and forgotten when we accept Jesus.
Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more.
This does not apply to just a mild sinner and not to the murderer. It does not apply to an adulterer and not the child that steals a candy bar. Sin is sin.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
People make it so simple and the devil wants to make us think it’s difficult or that we are too dirty, too full of sin, or fill us with such guilt that we can never forgive ourselves, or we allow anger to consume us and we find we can’t forgive others. If Jesus can forgive you and me, He can forgive every single person. If He were to allow only a specific type of sin to get a free pass then He is a hypocrite for not letting another sin. Who calculates the degree of sin? Only God has that right and ability and He has told us how to be clean before Him through Jesus.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
And, because Jesus bore our sin and erased it forever (past/present/future) then we are always working with a clean slate as long as we repent (tell God that we are repenting and then change our ways).
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
The Bible tells us that our works and efforts do not get us into Heaven, there is no way we could ever accomplish the perfection needed to get into Heaven.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
The thief who died on the cross beside Jesus did not live a life that glorified Jesus, however Jesus promised him as they hung together that he would be at Jesus’ side in Heaven. And Jesus replied, "I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43
originally posted by: Akragon
I don't believe Arius was the first to suggest such things...
originally posted by: Akragon
his main point was that there was a point in time when Jesus did not exist... he was a created being
originally posted by: Akragon
And Arianism is only heretical to trinitarians... which is a heresy in its own right.
originally posted by: Akragon
Arians still have a church... and consider themselves "Catholic"
OeeOee
arian-catholic.org...
originally posted by: DpatC
Apolagies for the shortness of this thread but im stuck on something and Im looking for someone to point me in the right direction. Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus will return.