A strong warning to the left.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Here's some in the vein of the OP:

Their World; Our World.

Wow. Okay. I try not to be involved in your politics, but this website's only point is to DIVIDE. To show you (by using a massive bias) that your points are "superior" to anyone else, and those are on one side, and that side is the wrong side.

What a cringy website-visit that was.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: network dude

Say, I have a question for the some of the old-timers...since I haven't seen a whole lot of presidencies in my time yet.

Was there ever a time in the USA where people didn't zealously hate, reject, and attempt to impeach a president before they even took office?

Was there ever a time in America where people just wanted and hoped for the common good no matter whose 'team' was representing?

When Clinton took the WH from Bush.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: network dude

Or possibly this is just karma for 8 years of birther nonsense.

Yea, the Birther thing was adopted by most MSM outlets and almost ALL the republicans.
Derp.

It was adopted by the current Republican president. Derp indeed.

If I remember correctly , the birther movement was started by one Hillary Clinton.
Trump did send a team to Hawaii (a long time ago) . Found nothing and he recalled them
Now , what were you saying ?

You recollection is wrong.

I was saying Trump was (and possibly still is) a supporter of the birther conspiracy. Based on comments and actions over a 5 year period (not just sending team to Hawaii).

Hope that's clear now.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Irishhaf

Wouldn't it be nice to basically flip a coin on election day and vote for whomever without worrying if your rights are going to be infringed or your taxes were going up?

Not sure I would know what to do it casting my vote was that easy... might give me a heart attack if my only options were people respecting the constitution.

a reply to: network dude

Wow dude, just...wow.

Yeah you can bow your knee to President backflip, who has may or may not changed his mind on the TPP, sure you can grovel to a man that promised to build a wall that Mexico would pay for (which has not happened) and then you kneel to a man that uses twitter as a press Secretary 'i'm gonna bomb Syria and North Korea but then again I might not'

Face it-you bet on the wrong effing horse. I don't care if anyone swings left or right, but if anyone has any intelligence whatsoever would say that Trump has been Hypocritical. I've said it before, his PR needs to reign him in, and don't talk about karma, you've said a lot of unjustful things this day.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TacoLoco75

What percentage of bloodline is required for one to qualify as black?

Not black as in skin color. But black as in African American black that was born of and raised by African Americans in the USA.

youtu.be...

Example ..Michael Jordan , Chris Rock, Martin Luther King Jr... etc

a reply to: ManFromEurope

Where have you been?

Pretty much every single political website on either side is like that.

That is the contrast between points of view. Stark isn't it? People talk about being "in the middle" but there really isn't a whole lot of "in the middle" left.

We can all live our lives and then we turn around a have leaders who want to force us into one mold or the other and there is no "living our lives" at the end.

originally posted by: ketsuko
That is the contrast between points of view. Stark isn't it? People talk about being "in the middle" but there really isn't a whole lot of "in the middle" left.

For the sake of this post let's call the middle "Rosie". Rosie is not relegated to the sidelines. Rosie is vast, just not vocal. The vocal minorities on both sides just makes it appear she's a minority. Not so. And she's disgusted with the partisan politics. She doesn't ascribe to the propaganda. So a strong warning to the left and right...

a reply to: intrepid

"The Middle" still exists. My support for Trump only extends so far as "fair play". He was duly elected, despite my own desires otherwise.

That said...between the 2 parties, only 1 seems to really enact laws that directly cause me harm. ACA is a deal breaker ill never get over until its completely fixed. To tinker blindly with something as important as paychecks and healthcare is unconscionable, and anyone who supported it is unfit to serve our nation, in my estimation.

All the rest...its just political ebb and flow. Not fond of The Patriot Act, but they both voted for it. Maybe we can walk them away from the edge eventually...but its not interwoven into the system so deep it cannot be extracted, like ACA.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: network dude

Say, I have a question for the some of the old-timers...since I haven't seen a whole lot of presidencies in my time yet.

Was there ever a time in the USA where people didn't zealously hate, reject, and attempt to impeach a president before they even took office?

Was there ever a time in America where people just wanted and hoped for the common good no matter whose 'team' was representing?

Yes, Bush Sr. was the last president that both sides truly respected.

The Right hated Bill Clinton before he even took office, they hated his arrogance and he is a world class liar (I am a liberal, and I will admit that Clinton lied like he breathed). Newt Gingrich took the speakership with the goal of impeaching Clinton, even though they didn't have a cause as of the time.

Bush Jr. was respected by the left after 9-11. He did a brilliant job in the weeks after 9-11 when the country could have fallen into self-immolation with vigilantism. He then fell out of favor when he decided to go to war with Iraq (though many Dem pols supported that war, but not Obama). Only toward the end, after he "swifboated" a war hero in Kerry, only after the torture, and then ruining the economy did Bush really get the hatred of the left. I say this as a proud progressive southern democrat.

(I should say, that as someone who often also writes on DailyKos - the most progressive liberal blog out there, even with our disdain for Bush, it never extended to his family. Laura was loved, DKos did a fund drive for her reading program - a key difference between how Bush was treated and how Michelle Obama was treated by the right. The right found a way to make encouraging kids to exercise and eat healthy a mean and bad thing).

But, it was Obama that set the bar for outright hatred prior to taking office. On night after Obama's first election, Mitch McConnell informed his caucus that they would compromise on "nothing" and that the highest priority wasn't the good of the country, but to make Obama a one term president. That's how we got the budget shutdowns, credit rating drop, it didn't matter.

You should also know that most of us that can't stand Trump couldn't stand him 30 years ago. I read an article in Vanity Fair in 1990 and thought he was about as big an ass as the world has ever produced, so it's not even "political" with Trump. There would be iron-strong opposition to any Republican president as the Republican party has been pulled steadily to the right since Reagan. Reagan would be a democrat if one transplanted his views to today (he raised taxes upon seeing what his original tax cut was doing to the deficit, you don't see Trump or any Republicans doing that today).

Until the early 80s, there was a law that mandated that all media utilizing the public airwaves had to spend equal time on each side. In that environment, most people heard news that was straight down the middle, and heard both sides of an argument. Then the Reagan Republicans did away with the FCC law, which opened the door for talk radio, and Rush started getting his dittoheads hating liberals (whereas prior they just disagreed, but Rush needed ratings, and hatred drove ratings). Cable exploded into the scene in the late 80s and 90s, and Fox then took to calling all "Non-Republican News 'Liberal'" - (they called it "fair and balanced" but the original business plan pushed by Roger Ailes to Murdoch was "Republican TV" - and soon conservatives viewed ONLY Fox as "true."

Fox back then is not the Fox of today. Back then they would take a slant, but it was still pretty much straight news during the day, then opinion at night. Today, Fox is nothing but Trump TV - there is nothing conservative about Fox now. In fact there's nothing conservative about Trump. Comey is a lifelong conservative, same as Mueller, Comey worked hand in hand with George Bush, Bush appointed Mueller to lead the FBI after 9-11, but now bc they call out Trump for what he is, they must be demonized, and that is happening.

If you read up and down this thread, the pattern from the Trump supporters is the full belief that there is nothing to any of this, that the FBI just all of a sudden turned into a bunch of panty-waisted liberals, or 'deep state" plants. The presumption is that the Democrats are trying to "overthrow the election" - and not that Trump could well have committed serious crimes. And all this whining about investigations is just precious coming from a group that DID impeach Clinton over saying "there IS no longer an affair with Ms. Lewinsky" (they broke up 3 months prior). And, a group that denied Obama's legitimacy from the very beginning, see McConnell. Just a bunch of baby snowflakes who can't take an an inch of what they have been serving up for decades.

Oh, and as liberal as I am, had the right nominated Rand Paul, or Kasich, or Graham, or any of the NORMAL people (it came down to the 2 craziest, Trump/Cruz), I would have no problem at all supporting that person as my president. None. Just like I did with Bush.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: network dude

Say, I have a question for the some of the old-timers...since I haven't seen a whole lot of presidencies in my time yet.

Was there ever a time in the USA where people didn't zealously hate, reject, and attempt to impeach a president before they even took office?

Was there ever a time in America where people just wanted and hoped for the common good no matter whose 'team' was representing?

Yes, Bush Sr. was the last president that both sides truly respected.

The Right hated Bill Clinton before he even took office, they hated his arrogance and he is a world class liar (I am a liberal, and I will admit that Clinton lied like he breathed). Newt Gingrich took the speakership with the goal of impeaching Clinton, even though they didn't have a cause as of the time.

Bush Jr. was respected by the left after 9-11. He did a brilliant job in the weeks after 9-11 when the country could have fallen into self-immolation with vigilantism. He then fell out of favor when he decided to go to war with Iraq (though many Dem pols supported that war, but not Obama). Only toward the end, after he "swifboated" a war hero in Kerry, only after the torture, and then ruining the economy did Bush really get the hatred of the left. I say this as a proud progressive southern democrat.

(I should say, that as someone who often also writes on DailyKos - the most progressive liberal blog out there, even with our disdain for Bush, it never extended to his family. Laura was loved, DKos did a fund drive for her reading program - a key difference between how Bush was treated and how Michelle Obama was treated by the right. The right found a way to make encouraging kids to exercise and eat healthy a mean and bad thing).

But, it was Obama that set the bar for outright hatred prior to taking office. On night after Obama's first election, Mitch McConnell informed his caucus that they would compromise on "nothing" and that the highest priority wasn't the good of the country, but to make Obama a one term president. That's how we got the budget shutdowns, credit rating drop, it didn't matter.

You should also know that most of us that can't stand Trump couldn't stand him 30 years ago. I read an article in Vanity Fair in 1990 and thought he was about as big an ass as the world has ever produced, so it's not even "political" with Trump. There would be iron-strong opposition to any Republican president as the Republican party has been pulled steadily to the right since Reagan. Reagan would be a democrat if one transplanted his views to today (he raised taxes upon seeing what his original tax cut was doing to the deficit, you don't see Trump or any Republicans doing that today).

Until the early 80s, there was a law that mandated that all media utilizing the public airwaves had to spend equal time on each side. In that environment, most people heard news that was straight down the middle, and heard both sides of an argument. Then the Reagan Republicans did away with the FCC law, which opened the door for talk radio, and Rush started getting his dittoheads hating liberals (whereas prior they just disagreed, but Rush needed ratings, and hatred drove ratings). Cable exploded into the scene in the late 80s and 90s, and Fox then took to calling all "Non-Republican News 'Liberal'" - (they called it "fair and balanced" but the original business plan pushed by Roger Ailes to Murdoch was "Republican TV" - and soon conservatives viewed ONLY Fox as "true."

Fox back then is not the Fox of today. Back then they would take a slant, but it was still pretty much straight news during the day, then opinion at night. Today, Fox is nothing but Trump TV - there is nothing conservative about Fox now. In fact there's nothing conservative about Trump. Comey is a lifelong conservative, same as Mueller, Comey worked hand in hand with George Bush, Bush appointed Mueller to lead the FBI after 9-11, but now bc they call out Trump for what he is, they must be demonized, and that is happening.

If you read up and down this thread, the pattern from the Trump supporters is the full belief that there is nothing to any of this, that the FBI just all of a sudden turned into a bunch of panty-waisted liberals, or 'deep state" plants. The presumption is that the Democrats are trying to "overthrow the election" - and not that Trump could well have committed serious crimes. And all this whining about investigations is just precious coming from a group that DID impeach Clinton over saying "there IS no longer an affair with Ms. Lewinsky" (they broke up 3 months prior). And, a group that denied Obama's legitimacy from the very beginning, see McConnell. Just a bunch of baby snowflakes who can't take an an inch of what they have been serving up for decades.

Oh, and as liberal as I am, had the right nominated Rand Paul, or Kasich, or Graham, or any of the NORMAL people (it came down to the 2 craziest, Trump/Cruz), I would have no problem at all supporting that person as my president. None. Just like I did with Bush.

a reply to: Scrubdog

Michelle Obama was hated for the same smug arrogance her hubby was hated for. A prime example: her ridiculous school lunch tinkering.

To me, it appears neither had a clue what to do, so they tinkered with ill effect.

Is she a nutritionist? Why on Earth was she spearheading an effort to increase school lunch costs while decreasing caloric value?


ETA: i should add that you and I shared views on Trump. My only difference is that once he was elected, it was his job to do. The obstruction and derailment we see...is the only thing Ill really defend him against. He's a terrible person.

a reply to: Scrubdog


Not all trump supporters, (I support him because hes president and want him to do well) but as long as the IG report is hanging over the FBI we should take anything they say with a grain of salt.


The stupid thing about it all is if the IG agrees that the FBI did not present the facts to the FISA judge in a truthful manner then pretty much the entire investigation goes out the window.

Also your complaint on FOX is can be applied to all the 24 hour news channels, they are all heavily slanted in the direction they are paid to lean, When Fox first came out I still preferred CNN.

a reply to: network dude


So let me try to parse your logic. The left is playing a dangerous game by, in your assertion, "doing some questionable things", which you do not name, but you say nothing about how the Trump administration, and in fact, the Republican party before him, completely ignore the rule of law without hesitation. Just a few examples:

Neil Gorsuch, not Merrick Garland sitting on the surpreme court, as a result of Repubicans ignoring their duty for months, a fraud against the American people, and disrespect to the elected president, which you villify above.

Multiple Trump officials pleading GUILTY to federal crimes.

Multiple omissions on security clearance forms. Allowing unelected Trump family members, and other cabinet officials to illegally have access to classified information. You lie on a resume, you don't get a job, Kushner does it repeatedly and the Trump Presidency says and does nothing.

Trump lawyer, and deputy chairman of the RNC claiming to have paid off a porn star on behalf of, but without the knowledge or consent of his employer.

The constant lying to the American public, on a daily basis, yes, EVERY SINGLE DAY, by our president.

More ethics scandals than you shake a stick at (think pay for play, or "the swamp", Eric Prince, Rex Tillerson, Betsy DeVos, Scott Pruitt), none of which are even remotely qualified for the job they are doing.

#ing Fox News comparing Mueller, an American war hero, to Stalin. #ING STALIN?! The complicity by the right in obstruction is astonishing.

Devin Nunes. All of him.

After a year of this corrupt circus, you have the audacity to warn those trying to keep this country together, that "insert demonizing name" are going too far in trying to "usurp" some "things".

Here's a newsflash for you. Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, are all Republicans, they are not the left, they are simply doing their job, and their job is more than justified. You don't even know what evidence was given to gain access to the warrants, yet you infer that there is shady business going on.

FYI, before you talk about some deep state and Trump is being set up. Before the election, doing minimal research, I came to the exact conclusion that I'm at now, Trump is corrupt, got in money trouble and is now under the thumb of America's greatest adversarry. The evidence is overwhelming and it has been since long before the special counsel was even put in place. Bayrock, the shell companies, the money laundering, the shady loans, his own sons bragging of Russian money filing in, literally every single action Trump has taken (or not taken) with regards to Russia.

So I'll await patiently for your warning to the right. I'm sure it'll be riveting.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Scrubdog



The stupid thing about it all is if the IG agrees that the FBI did not present the facts to the FISA judge in a truthful manner then pretty much the entire investigation goes out the window.

I don't think you understand either how logic, or the legal process works. This wishful thinking that somehow someone made an oops and everything will all go away as a result is fantasy. This isn't some cop forgetting to read Miranda rights scenario. This isn't going away, nor should it. Despite the guilty pleas and the plethora of evidence, knowing what you know, you would rather this all just go away? There's a term for that, it's called willful ignorance. Do better.

Don't cry wolf, cause one day one will show up, and screaming for mercy will fall on deaf ears. And the neighbors will look at that mauled corpse saying...
"We warned ya!".

They are doing the same thing here in Ontario with the provincial election coming up, where it mainly Wynne vs Doug Ford. I ve seen wynee and guttless saps throw all sort of claims, saying Ford the new Trump or Hitler, even one ad in the T.o Sun saying he bringing the svoiet Union to Canada, all the while Wynne saying free this and that...when it come out of the tax payer own pocket.

Her an Trudeau are in Soros pockets.

I like what the hippies used to say, and even Reagan said it too...be very afraid of the day the government comes knocking at your door, saying I'm here to help.

originally posted by: Specimen
Her an Trudeau are in Soros pockets.

Well that's going a bit far. I don't believe Georgie gives a # for Canadian politics.

As to the choice Whine and Ford? Is Horvath still the NDP leader?

a reply to: Grimmley

Uh. No I'm pretty sure that including your block of text was unnecessary to my point.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: amazing

It's an issue because the press makes it an issue. it's an issue because the campuses make it an issue. It's an issue because we're told that if we don't bend over backward to make absolutely certain sure that we clear the pronouns with every person we speak with, then we might be committing a microaggression against them, and if not them, then it might be against the person who would like to have non-traditional pronouns used who hears you not checking to make sure the person you're talking to is getting the right pronouns.

That person might be the new guy/gal in the cubicle down from yours, and they might lodge a complaint with your HR without you even knowing they did it.

You never when or where you will offend because it's not about whether or not you intended to offend someone; instead, it's all about whether or not someone was offended by you for some reason. And the offended party doesn't even have to be involved in the offense, but only has to be worried that what you do might cause someone else offense, so more or less, they're getting offended on someone else's behalf.

I agree the media make it an issue but...In real life I've never had a problem? And I deal with the public 6 days a week 50 weeks a year. for decades. Do I just live in a magical bubble? LOL

There is no gender pronoun issue. Only on TV. and Radio.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Thejoncrichton

originally posted by: amazing


That's not really true, there may be more liberal news sources(especially when you consider TV), but conservatives watch the conservative news sources, and radio, and blogs, and websites and magazines etc.

There was sooo much hate against Obama when he was president. Some how my conservative peeps on facebook kept finding memes, videos, articles, commentary.

We're talking what most people consume. The blogs and all that are dominated by the left too, for your information. You guys even get tax payer funded radio like NPR. We dont have tax payer funded radio.

But that can't be true. I mean. If conseravatives in this country consumed liberal media, they would start to be effected by the propaganda and become brainwashed. I don't see that happening. Trump won the election....he couldn't have won if the conservative population in this country was consuming liberal media.

No, the conservatives in this country consume conservative media.

And by the way, it's not you guys...I know I have some liberal tendencies but not a democrat and actually voted libertarian this past election.

and for example...my conservative friends on facebook are constantly,, sharing conservative media...facebook groups, You tube videos, conservative blogs etc. They never share or post liberal media.

I'm probably not saying it clearly or making my point very well. For that I appologize but do you get the gist of what I'm trying to say? Make sense a little bit? Am I way off?

Alot of us do not consume any media hardly at all...but memes are great.

Liberals falsely assume we care as much about all that garbage...when flat out we do NOT...pretty much across the board.

Noone cares about media and false diatribes like todays leftists...hope that will change soon cause the rest of us have or are in process of moving on.