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The truth about socialism... time and time again..

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posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: DBCowboy

How is our current system preferable though? The only difference is that the power is in the hands of corporations as opposed to the government.


Corporations have their own limits built in based on the free market.

Our current system is preferable because our Constitution limits the scope and authority of government.




posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

And countries like Sweden don't have constitutions that do the same thing?



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Our current system is preferable because our Constitution limits the scope and authority of government.


And how has that panned out over the last 20 years?



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: DBCowboy

And countries like Sweden don't have constitutions that do the same thing?


I don't know.

Do they?



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Our current system is preferable because our Constitution limits the scope and authority of government.


And how has that panned out over the last 20 years?


Sucks big time.

But that's because we have corrupt politicians creating a corrupt government.

And giving corrupt politicians and corrupt government even more authority is as smart as fixing high voltage appliances in the bath tub.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Our current system is preferable because our Constitution limits the scope and authority of government.


And how has that panned out over the last 20 years?


Sucks big time.

But that's because we have corrupt politicians creating a corrupt government.

And giving corrupt politicians and corrupt government even more authority is as smart as fixing high voltage appliances in the bath tub.
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And none of that has anything to do with socialism.

Are you starting to see the fallacy in your thinking?



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Our current system is preferable because our Constitution limits the scope and authority of government.


And how has that panned out over the last 20 years?


Sucks big time.

But that's because we have corrupt politicians creating a corrupt government.

And giving corrupt politicians and corrupt government even more authority is as smart as fixing high voltage appliances in the bath tub.
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And none of that has anything to do with socialism.

Are you starting to see the fallacy in your thinking?


Explain to me how socialism is reducing the scope and authority of government.

Use small words.

I'm an idiot.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy



Explain to me how socialism is reducing the scope and authority of government.


I never made any such claim. Not sure why you keep moving the goalposts.

As you have admitted, corruption in government and politicians can happen in any form of government or economic system. So your criticism of socialism applies to other systems as well, including capitalism.

And I shouldn't have to use smaller words. You know exactly what is being said and you understand it. The problem is you lack the honesty to admit that your thinking is flawed and continue to push an obvious line of bull#.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated


your exactly right



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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We already have socialism and a nanny state in the US.

The problem is that it's corporate centered instead of individual centered. Sure it would be nice to be a completely libertarian country but our corporate overlords will never allow that.

Countries like in Scandinavia and the nordic countries do the social programs the right way...people centered not corporate centered. In fact many of those countries jailed the bankers that caused the last recession. In the us, again, we gave them billions in bail out money.

You can see the problem. People like Bernie Sanders and the like, want the taxes we already pay, to go for programs that benefit us the average citizen, instead of Big corporations and institutions.

If those companies fail, let them, that's where the United STates of American and it's entreprenurial spirit come into play. They fail, we'll replace them with better companies that won't pay off our congressmen and women.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
Apparently the recent fiasco with Venezuela's dictator Maduro robbing the country of its gold (by shipping it overseas, where only he can touch it) wasn't enough to convince leftist S. American kleptocracies to stop stealing from their people in true socialist/communist fashion.

In Brazil, Democrat and dictator Temer has implemented a scheme through complex organizations/funneling to enrich himself and a small group of socialist beneficiaries.


The charges, referring to what is called the 'Major MDB criminal gang' were originally presented to the Federal Supreme Court in September of last year by then Federal General Prosecutor, Rodrigo Janot, against Temer and some of his most important allies, like former President of the Congress Eduardo Cunha (RJ) and Henrique Eduardo Alves (RN), as well as former minister Geddel Vieira Lima (BA) and former congressman Rodrigo Rocha Loures (PR), who was flagrantly captured on film by the Federal Police running with a suitcase full of money for JBS Corporation.

The prosecutor alleged the existence of an organization that diverted funds from many public entities, among them the Caixa Econômica Federal Bank, the Furnas Hydroelectric Complex, the Ministry of National Integration and the House of Representatives. According to the prosecutor, party members would have received at least R$ 587 million (US$ 172 million) in bribes through the scheme. Those accused have denied participation in illicit activities.


www1.folha.uol.com.br...

Failed ideologies disgust me, as do their apologists living in this country. Turns my stomach thinking of these folks. Truly.


Time for various right-wing/military (same thing) coup's to "happen." Allowing any population to live under a tyrannical left-wing socialist government is tantamount to torture/mass murder/genocide/global destruction - it is one of the worst and most insufferable plagues you can put on another living creature.

I wouldn't let a stray varmint live under socialist rule - they'd rob it blind, and brainwash it to believe they were doing it a favor. If South America can't keep socialism out of the continent, perhaps the question should be asked whether they're worthy of running a territory located in such a sensitive proximity to the United States? After all, their political mistakes over the last century has put us in a national security emergency more than once (not just their massive narcotics/drugs, violence, rapists) but harboring nuclear weapons and threatening the US on behalf of other joke socialists/communists.


Example A- JBurns. A simple man with simple needs. TO NUKE AMERICA
Go to bed man, your drunk



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Christosterone
a reply to: intrepid

I know what socialism is:
The perfect instrument for killing over 100 million people in less than a century...

-Chris


You don't know a jack snip.
I'm guessing that you went to elementary school during the Cold War era. Compare that with failed American education system and you get an individual posting hilarious crap on the internet.
Socialism is an economy system just like capitalism.


The American public education system is almost 100% socialized. The government owns the means of production (buildings, etc.), the teachers/admins/other staff are all government employees paid with public funds, it's all funded through taxes taken from people whether they have children in the system or no or even support it.

It is the very model of a socialized system. There is no freedom within it. Children are assigned to schools based solely on where they live and going to school outside that zone is a crime punishable by prison for the parents for fraud.

There is little to no say over what the children will learn.

If you want freedom from the system, you may seek it, but any outside costs you incur are after you still pay for the socialized school system itself. So you can only afford outside schooling - private or home - *if* you can do so after you pay your share of the socialized system.

So if you say American education is failing, I won't disagree at all. It is, but it's failing because it's a corrupt, socialized system.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: Xcalibur254
Maybe its because they pay higher taxes than most?

As long as quality of life is the final arbiter, the tax rate is lot less relevant.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Not really.

What if my quality of life is linked to my degree of freedom? What if the high tax rate impedes my freedom?

I look at high tax rates in order to provide social goods as an impediment to individual freedom which means a lower quality of life.

Let's say you have a group who meets to do something every week, and they all agree one week to chip in together to buy a pepperoni pizza they all share. But, let's say one guy isn't quite satisfied with that agreement even though he goes along. Let's say pepperoni pizza just isn't his favorite. So one week, he tells the rest that he'd rather use his money to order Chinese for himself even though that would cost more for him, and the other guys will each have to chip in a bit more for their pizza. They tell him he cannot do that because he promised to help buy the pizza, but then one guys says he can still order his Chinese *if* he has the money left *after* he pays for his part of the pizza.

That's socialism.

Someone decides on what the social good will be, and you end up paying for it whether or not it's actually something you need or want or will even ever use. Of course, they usually tell you that you are still free to follow your own whims, but only *after* you pay for the social good.

It doesn't seem like much at first, but the more social goods are added, the harder it is to come up with the money for the things you really do want, need, or will actually use because you have to spend a lot more money, more all the time, paying for the social goods for everyone else.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: Xcalibur254
Maybe its because they pay higher taxes than most?

As long as quality of life is the final arbiter, the tax rate is lot less relevant.


Sounds like you don't pay much in taxes...



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
What if my quality of life is linked to my degree of freedom? What if the high tax rate impedes my freedom?

I'm told that our health care system makes us socialists. I'm told that I pay an enormous tax rate to support it. Maybe I pay more than my American counterpart, but I enjoy a better quality of life. So why should I care that you pay less?
That is the context for my comment.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 05:16 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Atleast half the US economy is socialism..
military, police, fire, roads, medicate, welfare, exc..


To a conservative it seems the definition of “socialism” is anything taxes pay for that I don’t personally use lol...


Why not actually debate whatever issue is proposed instead of pushing the “socialism “ propaganda circus..



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

And to the person who has a rare disease who cannot get adequate treatment because their disease does not respond to the government approved, one-size-fits-all approach to treating that disease; the person who lives in a small town underserved by family physicians who must wait to see if they get lucky in the lottery to get drawn when that physician has a patient slot open up; the person who must wait months in pain for a test or procedure because of the backlog you just say, "I got mine. Screw you and pay up?"

How capitalist of you.

edit on 11-4-2018 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

When did the economic system of a country HAVE anything to do with freedom?? Lol


Freedom is one of those relativistic words that means different things to different people .. so everyone claims they are on the side of freedom..

Aka it’s meanless tripe that people use to deflect from having a real debate..



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

And to the person who has a rare disease who cannot get adequate treatment because their disease does not respond to the government approved, one-size-fits-all approach to treating that disease; the person who lives in a small town underserved by family physicians who must wait to see if they get lucky in the lottery to get drawn when that physician has a patient slot open up; the person who must wait months in pain for a test or procedure because of the backlog you just say, "I got mine. Screw you and pay up?"

How capitalist of you.

Don't know why none of that has ever happened to anyone that I know. Don't know anybody who would swap for your system, either. Do you think somebody's selling you a bill of goods so that they can keep selling you a bill of goods?



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