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Time to fire Mueller, Rosenstein, Sessions...

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posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth



forcing him to play the game they want him to play.


If it came to that, do you think that Trump is afraid to escalate things to appropriate levels?

This is not the climate of the watergate era. He could fire a special counse, have a new appointed or not, or have the FBI continue its Russia probe.

Public outcry and government support for the investigation is LOW.

Its not that big a deal. I learned from Obama. Its not the end of the world if people think you broke the law.

Much of the opposition is a bluff. Also, life is random.

If no new special counsel is appointed then the authority to enforce what other investigations find is gone.


edit on 4 10 2018 by tadaman because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth



The biggest problem is not really Trump getting removed


It's Pence taking over

a double whammy of sorts



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
It's so funny how people such as yourself pretend like the available public evidence is somehow the same as the stuff that hasn't been released.


and the wind whispers... Benghazi. Benghaziiiii

Really? I'm hearing... Whataboutism. Whataboutismmmmm


Ah yes, your second favorite accusation behind calling difficult arguments "strawmen." Our entire government and legal system is designed on a bedrock of something called "precedent." I will save you a moment of time and define the word for you. Precedent is a situation which has been previously handled by the courts and which is looked back upon by similar present cases as a defacto guideline in the proper handling of the present case. It isn't an imaginary concept developed to shelter one track minds from expanding while actually having to consider inconvenient counter arguments, so this "whataboutism" shake and bake you frequently do is not only old and tired, it's entirely misplaced here.

If you want a "whataboutism" here's one, what about actually discussing legitimate counter arguments for a change instead of going through a veritable Bolshoy Ballet of twists and gyrations to avoid the possibility of actually debating the meat and potatoes of a topic for a pleasant change of pace? The same arguments you, yourself have used to deflect away from past examples of the feds half-assing an investigation into a standing official, or ending one before it even got fully underway, "there clearly was a lack of evidence" is the same deflection you fall all over yourself criticizing when it's directed at your own personal Emmannuel Goldstein in the Oval Office.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

If anything, it appears Trump is directly in Meuller's crosshairs. Trump can most likely be charged with all sorts of criminal activities....tax evasion being the elephant in the room....campaign finance fraud (paying back his attorney for the 130,000 Stormy Daniels payoff...etc....no "collusion" necessary. The only thing that may keep Trump out of jail is the reluctance of the political class to expose even tge worst of them to the same "justice" you or I would recieve.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It would be that simple to shut Mueller out of the process.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

....and public opinion ?



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: burdman30ott6

....and public opinion ?


Do you really think Trump supporters would give a rat's ass? I mean that honestly. Those who hate Trump are gonna hate regardless of how long this farcical witch hunt is allowed to continue and those who voted for him aren't losing any of the reasons why we voted for him in this process... The undecideds will ultimately choose 2020 and it will come down to which side is less repugnant and damaging to their freedoms, their way of life, and their wallets just as 2016 did. Does anyone really believe a Democrat running on a platform of raising taxes, attacking the 2nd Amendment, and reinstituting the USA as the world's reject bin is going to be somehow more attractive to the undecided voter that a POTUS who lowered taxes, strengthened borders, tightened immigration policy, and screwed a porn star?



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Trump's supporters, no
The general , public , opinion however shouldn't be foresaken
As relayed by the much dispized msm

From which the grand majority still are informed ....

Not to mention, the international opinion !
schadenfreude



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Trump's supporters, no
The general , public , opinion however shouldn't be foresaken
As relayed by the much dispized msm

From which the grand majority still are informed ....

Not to mention, the international opinion !
schadenfreude


The international opinion means squat.. they don't vote here. Well, except unregistered Democratic illegals.. whole other story.

The general public opinion, if you remember, is what won Trump the election. Despite the MSM.

The general public. The little people. Them.

Same ones that will put him back in, not despite the screaming and wailing of the left but because of it.




posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 05:54 PM
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a reply to: Cassi3l

International opinion is a nonstarter with me. Don't care what their opinion is anymore than I expect them to care what mine is.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

If Trump doesn't have anything to hide, he shouldn't have to fire anyone. If he want's to prove it's a witch hunt, let Mueller do his job! Trump sure doesn't act like someone who doesn't have anything to hide. He'll be opening up a huge can of worms if he fired Mueller.

If you're so confident and want to follow Trump's lead and say this is all just a witch hunt, why would you or Trump care about the investigation? A leader doesn't lose his cool or fire personnel if they know they've done nothing wrong or they have nothing to hide. The people he wants to fire are all republicans, yet he's blaming democrats for lighting the fire under his feet? The republicans have even said the dismissal of Mueller could lead to Trump's impeachment! Trump immediately calls a raid on his attorney's office a threat to the country, yet evidence of Russian interference in U.S. elections is not? lol. It's simply a ridiculous statement!

We have a system of laws in this country, and Presidents, Politicians and the elite are not above the law. Unless you would enjoy living in a dictatorship, you should be glad the U.S. has a system of checks and balances on power. American's voted for Trump because they wanted someone to be honest, credible and listen to the people. Yet you're quick to defend a president who has proven time and time again he has far less credibility than our current legislatures!

Either way you look at it, it's truly a sad state of affairs. Our political system is simply broken. Our legislatures could care less about you or me! Yet the voters of this country will continue to shoot themselves in the foot by defending dishonesty and self-serving leaders and politicians.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 06:16 PM
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It is painfully obvious.


It is: that the noose is tightening, and that the repeated lashing out is an attempt by a criminal enterprise to do anything it can to preserve itself in its final throes.

Tick. Tock.

Check. Mate.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 06:17 PM
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Seems to me like Trump is done playing president. Had enough, he only did it for the ratings and they suck anyway.
Chances of him getting cleared by the Mueller investigation are dwindling, any other outcome is pretty much the end for the celebrity apprentice.

Yeah, yeah dont resign. Fire somebody else and see what happens



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 06:43 PM
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The only one who needs to be fired is trump and his followers



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: Jubei42


Seems to me like Trump is done playing president. Had enough, he only did it for the ratings and they suck anyway.


He only did it because he wanted to "win" it, not be it. He also wanted to make money using the office.

He had a false sense of power because he has authoritarian tendencies and a thug mentality, both displayed weekly, if not daily. He learned there were checks to him and his actions as president, which enrage him.

Now he's destructive, for self-preservation, because his criminal enterprises are being uncovered and there's little he can do.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Cassi3l

International opinion is a nonstarter with me. Don't care what their opinion is anymore than I expect them to care what mine is.


Yeah, fair enough...

But don't forget, its a big world out there... And a lot of people outside of the US are watching.

As powerful and entertaining as the United States obviously are, they still can't rule the world all on their own.

In other words, international opinion does matter.
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posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
As powerful and entertaining as the United States obviously are, they still can't rule the world all on their own.

In other words, international opinions do matter.


There is a massive difference between the power it takes to rule and the power it takes to no be ruled by another. The US has more than enough power to prevent the country from being ruled by anyone, and that includes a scenario in which the entire world unites against us. As for ruling the world, that's been proven to be a fairly unproductive exercise as it generally comes along with having to care for and placate all the unwashed masses in the countries we've tried to rule over the decades.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burdman30ott6

It wouldn't be that simple.

What the law says about Donald Trump pardoning Michael Cohen


The short answer is that no one knows for sure. No sitting U.S. President has ever tried to pardon his own alleged co-conspirators, so this has never been tested in practice. If Donald Trump were to issue a pardon for Michael Cohen for his actions in the Trump-Russia scandal, the courts would have to rule whether such a pardon is Constitutional, and whether to uphold it or nullify it. From there, Special Counsel Robert Mueller would have to decide whether to charge Trump with obstruction of justice for having tried to use a pardon to prevent an alleged co-conspirator from testifying against him.

So there are three different possible outcomes. Different legal scholars have stated different views on which way they think the court might rule. The key here may be that for a judge to have signed off on a search warrant against him for the seizure of communications between Trump and his attorney, the judge must have believed there was evidence that Trump and Cohen conspired to commit a crime. This would directly paint Trump and Cohen as alleged co-conspirators, perhaps bolstering the legal argument that Trump can’t legally pardon Cohen.

One important note is that although there is no evidence that Michael Cohen has been charged with anything, Donald Trump can still preemptively pardon him. For instance, President Gerald Ford preemptively pardoned Richard Nixon at a time when there were no formal charges against Nixon. So Trump can try to pardon Cohen at any time. The only questions are whether he will try, and how it would play out legally. But the bottom line is this: if New York State brings parallel charges against Cohen, then there will be nothing Trump can do, as the president cannot pardon state level charges.


I would be impressed with the Palmer Report and Bill Palmer it he had a legal background or some reason to believe that he knows anything about what he is talking about. If it wasn’t one of the most shamefully wrong blogs on the planet I may even read it.

Really bad source.

You are free to prove me wrong, but I'm going to take your distrust of my source with a grain of salt until you do since I trust you less than that source.


Your source is simply nuts, choose to believe it at your own risk. It has nothing to do with my beliefs it has to do with facts. Do 10 minutes of research on the internet and you will find that Bill Palmer is crazy unreliable.

But whatever, you betray your lack of objectivity by promoting Bill Palmer.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 07:22 PM
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Fake-news rumors and Clinton financed dossiers combined with corrupt and biased FBI agents/DOJ employees


NIce try, hopefully you don't actually believe this garbage. Trump is as dirty as a baby's diaper and everyone knows it.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 12:28 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
As powerful and entertaining as the United States obviously are, they still can't rule the world all on their own.

In other words, international opinions do matter.


There is a massive difference between the power it takes to rule and the power it takes to no be ruled by another. The US has more than enough power to prevent the country from being ruled by anyone, and that includes a scenario in which the entire world unites against us. As for ruling the world, that's been proven to be a fairly unproductive exercise as it generally comes along with having to care for and placate all the unwashed masses in the countries we've tried to rule over the decades.


Problem is that times are a' changing.
Prior "rulers of the world" include Roman empire, Portugal/Spain, UK.. How much power do they have nowadays? And how are we looking at their more insane rulers from their prime time?

Thing is, people will remember.
Will remember how some "ruler of the world, bringer of democracy" has dealt with a massive problem with checks and balances.
Will decide in the future on how to deal with that country while contemplating the decisions made in 2018-19-20.

This is the same as if a newbie in any company or retail or such a thing thinks that he is the new bigshot, and tries to bring in his new ideas - and builds a negative image of himself by his actions which will be hold against him by his collegues for years and years to come. While working in a company you can try to change lanes to try to leave those memories behind, but on our single and only planet, a country can't just go away and say "this did not happen!" and everyone will believe it.

Memories on how the USA dealt with Trump and how Trump dealt with the democracy of the USA won't fade away so easily..



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