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The raid of Michael Cohen... where do we go from here?

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posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

if i was attorney general i would have to step in and put a stop to this farce and fire mueller and yes the dems would cry you recused yourself from russian collusion probe but by sending fbi into his private attorneys office to fish for data on some washed out old stripper that supposedly the pres had dealings with a decade ago which has no damn connection to russian probe mueller has overstepped his mandate. since mueller is overstepping in this way proves all his other routes of inquiry found nothing so now is time shut him down.




posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Become the change you seek.

You either lead the followers, or follow the leader.

If you want change, then either run for office and create that change, or use your resources to create a lobbying organization that can push for that change.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: anonentity

You can Tell by the Tone of the President's Voice here that he is Pained to Speak to the Media in such a Somber Manner . He was Told a Terrible Truth , and he Realizes the Position he has placed himself in and it has Nothing to do with Making America Great Again...............(
edit on 10-4-2018 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 01:08 AM
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The judge whom issued this warrant is Magistrate I.e. a state official who makes decisions in legal cases just like a judge but does not have complete Judaical power such as an elected or appointed Judge by a governor. Magistrates’ are kind of like administrators of the court. Magistrate Judges handle can only handle the Minor Cases of the State.

So, this kind of Tell's me that an elected judge for SDNY or judge appointed by the state of NY governing body did not want their hand on this. because of this goes south sort of speak there will be hell to pay. This is a highly unprecedented way of obtaining a warrant for a U.S. Presidents personal attorney in the course of another federal investigation. I mean if your want a solid case this is a good example of what not to do.

I don't think much of this will hold up with an elected or state of NY appointed judge. First thing that real elected or appointed judge is going to ask is “ Have you read any client cases of this attorney ? “ yes , but… Dismissed.
No judge will put their ass or career on the line like that, liberal or otherwise. doesn't matter what is uncovered with this warrant it's going to get kicked. but it can get be dragged out for next 2-3 years; but it sill will get kicked by judge with full Judaical power in the end . Kind of make me wonder if Mueller is about to call it quits and have the SDNY pick up another investigation.

This has got end, it's really hurting the country on so many levels. The legal community I'm sure is having a WTF moment on the way this was done .
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posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 01:50 AM
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I dont think they Care about a trial..
Information will be LEAK't.
and NOT necessarily True !
Trial by CNN, MSM,,,

the people can now see All news is Fake!
I love this TV sit com "the Trump show"
(its not real! just to Play with us!)
its just worrying that it can start a
world war and/or revolution



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Whatever we once were... It's dead.

Truthfully we're just going to coast by on inertia until something big enough stops it all cold.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: buddha

It's in the process of making both unavoidable as we speak.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
ATS is already discussing the raid that happened earlier today, to wit;


The FBI raided the office of Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's personal attorney, CBS News' Pat Milton confirms. They seized materials and documents from his office including content related to his payments to porn actress Stormy Daniels, also known as Stephanie Clifford, the New York Times reports.

A person familiar with the matter confirmed that law enforcement agents conducted searches Monday at his New York office and the New York residence of President Trump's long-time attorney, seizing documents and other material. A court warrant authorizing the raid was obtained. It is unclear what investigation the raid stems from.

Cohen's attorney, Stephen Ryan, released a statement confirming the search, saying, "Today the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients. I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller." According to a knowledgeable official, the information used in Monday's raid originated with the special counsel but is a separate inquiry, CBS News' Andres Triay reports.


So... Robert Mueller found that even he couldn't justify how far out of the scope of his investigation he needs to look to find something, ANYTHING to keep relevant. So he referred the raid to the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York because the payment to Stormy Daniels "didn't smell right".


The Special Counsel found evidence of criminal activity and consulted with Deputy AG Rosenstein for direction on if it should be referred to proper authorities (As his SC mandate requires).
Deputy AG appointed by Trump found it compelling enough to warrant action and referral.
The AG of NY and associated Judge (both appointed by Trump) found it damning enough evidence to issue search warrants and raid Michael Cohen's multiple offices.

Cohen and his attorney have not said this was only about Stormy Daniels. To the contrary the warrant appears to have been broadly related to banking records and even NYC Taxi Medallions. This looks like Money Laundering, but we will have to wait to find out.



A question to ATS... this all happened while Trump was a private citizen. So attorney-client privilege should not exist for Trump because... he's orange and he doesn't believe in the "right" kind of politics?


What makes you think this all happened while Trump was a private citizen? Or for that matter, what makes you think this is all about Trump? Are you contending that any criminal activity Cohen might be engaged in is entirely at the behest of Trump? It's possible, but that is it's own can of worms if that is your position.




Where do we go from here? Due process doesn't seem to mean anything anymore. The rule of law doesn't apply to this Trump witch hunt?


It is precisely the rule of law that has brought Cohen to where he is and it is precisely due process that is occurring.
He isn't in jail, he is being investigated due to some pretty damning evidence by all speculation.
If he is innocent, he can demonstrate it in court and enjoy suing the FBI.
As it stands, he gave a public statement to CNN thanking the FBI for their professionalism when they raided his properties and expressing some misery about his current state.
That sounds like someone that is aware of the deep trouble they are in.



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posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: Lumenari

if i was attorney general i would


You should email the WH, Trump might give you the job.



by sending fbi into his private attorneys office to fish for data on some washed out old stripper that supposedly the pres had dealings with a decade ago


SC Mueller needs sign off from Rosenstein to hand evidence to other jurisdiction for follow up.
Rosenstein was given his job by Trump.
The NY AG it was given to for determination if it should be pursued was interviewed and given his job by Trump.
The Judge that signed the warrant was appointed by Trump.
The DOJ/FBI that raided Cohen's office are part of the Executive Branch (Trump).

It seems that your beef is with Criminals getting investigated or prosecuted.



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

NO my beef as you calling it , is the dangerous precedent it sets by saying if fbi wants dirt on you they can now go rummaging through your attorneys files when they choose to. which means you are now living in france were you are assumed to be guilty until you prove innocence .



posted on Apr, 11 2018 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Thanks for your reply.

I will say it once more,
Be Prepared.



posted on Apr, 12 2018 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: soberbacchus

NO my beef as you calling it , is the dangerous precedent it sets by saying if fbi wants dirt on you


Nope. No one at the FBI "Wants Dirt" on Cohen.

They are obligated to investigate evidence of very serious crimes.

That is the way it works. Full stop.



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