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originally posted by: Scrubdog
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Annee
What poetic justice if the porn star takes him down after all is said and done.
The problem with this Avenue is that it won't necessarily take him down. There was to much build up about "Russian Collusion" that anything less is going to be seen as suspected by Trumps supporters and a portion of the middle.... a sex scandal is the worst way to go because no one is going to care about a sex scandal except the opposition.
So anything less than Trump Russian collusion will come down to how many people in the middle can be swayed by a suspect investigation. I'd say not enough; it could even backfire if the middle throughs there hands up in disgust at the whole thing ... like they did in the 2016 elections that saw Trump win in the first place... despite all the sex scandals.
It would not be the sex that would being him down, it would e crimes in covering up the affair.
And, the Russian collusion matter is not off the table at all, despite what many Trump apologists here think. The line between "subject" and "target" is razor thin, and Mueller was speaking of Trump being a subject to crimes committed "while in office" - obstruction, and was NOT speaking of crimes committed PRIOR to taking office, they do believe they can indict a president for crimes committed prior to taking office. Muller did not address the investigation of crimes prior to taking office.
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Scrubdog
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Annee
What poetic justice if the porn star takes him down after all is said and done.
The problem with this Avenue is that it won't necessarily take him down. There was to much build up about "Russian Collusion" that anything less is going to be seen as suspected by Trumps supporters and a portion of the middle.... a sex scandal is the worst way to go because no one is going to care about a sex scandal except the opposition.
So anything less than Trump Russian collusion will come down to how many people in the middle can be swayed by a suspect investigation. I'd say not enough; it could even backfire if the middle throughs there hands up in disgust at the whole thing ... like they did in the 2016 elections that saw Trump win in the first place... despite all the sex scandals.
It would not be the sex that would being him down, it would e crimes in covering up the affair.
And, the Russian collusion matter is not off the table at all, despite what many Trump apologists here think. The line between "subject" and "target" is razor thin, and Mueller was speaking of Trump being a subject to crimes committed "while in office" - obstruction, and was NOT speaking of crimes committed PRIOR to taking office, they do believe they can indict a president for crimes committed prior to taking office. Muller did not address the investigation of crimes prior to taking office.
What we all have to remember is that the majority of the country is not nearly as engaged in the particulars of this investigation like the people on ATS that talk about and research it every day.
As such there is no "razor" thin lines in most people's minds; they dont have the time nor the desire to worry about every detail of the investigation and how all the little crumbs add up to "campaign finance abuse over a porn star" (just for example).
Public opinion of the investigation by those that matter (let's call them undecides) will not be kind if they try to go after Trump on something less important than ties to Russia and certainly not over a sex scandal. The opposition has already made up its mind; supporters have already made up their minds ... so it comes down to turn out for them. But for Trump to get in trouble over these investigations the reason has to be big enough for the quite majority to push their congressman and stormy just isnt big enough.
"If this were Hillary Clinton [having her lawyer's office raided], the ACLU would be on every TV station in America jumping up and down," he said. "The deafening silence of the ACLU and civil libertarians about the intrusion into the lawyer-client confidentiality is really appalling."
originally posted by: DanDanDat
Public opinion of the investigation by those that matter (let's call them undecides) will not be kind if they try to go after Trump on something less important than ties to Russia and certainly not over a sex scandal. The opposition has already made up its mind; supporters have already made up their minds ... so it comes down to turn out for them. But for Trump to get in trouble over these investigations the reason has to be big enough for the quite majority to push their congressman and stormy just isnt big enough.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Sillyolme
insider.foxnews.com...
"If this were Hillary Clinton [having her lawyer's office raided], the ACLU would be on every TV station in America jumping up and down," he said. "The deafening silence of the ACLU and civil libertarians about the intrusion into the lawyer-client confidentiality is really appalling."
It is odd to me that this is so far out there, lifelong dems like Dershowitz opinions have no standing.
He is only yale law after all, worked under SCOTUS justices, but he knows nothing.........
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Metallicus
The problem is that Mueller's team is ideologically brainwashed into attacking Trump.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
He investigated 911 and put John Gotti the Teflon Don away.
He's a purple heart recipient.
He volunteered for duty in Vietnam after graduating from Harvard. He was completely exempt from the draft but volunteered to serve when a good friend from his high school days was killed during his own second tour.
He got a medal of valor in combat decoration when he disregarded his own safety to make sure every man in his platoon was brought out of harms way. Taking a bullet in his thigh from sniper fire.
After serving in the military he wasn't done . He wanted to continue to serve his country and joined the FBI where he had a very successful career. He was chosen by George W. Busy to be director of the FBI and eight days after his confirmation he was faced with the 911 attacks on America. He was retained by Barrack Obama who requested Congress write a special law allowing him to extend his tenure for an additional two years.
He was the longest serving FBI director since J. Edgar Hoover.
And again I'll point out how everybody thought he was an excellent choice for special counsel. And it's only now that he's getting too close to trump that some are calling for his removal.
Y'all are so eager to see justice served in regards to anything Clinton. I say let justice be served here as well.
If he's so innocent then no worries. But everybody knows he's dirty and that given time they will find crimes. Everybody knows he's always had shady business dealings.
It's common knowledge he is eager to build a hotel in Moscow. According to his own son, he was getting money from Russia when he couldn't get financed by any U.S. bank.
It's reported he was dealing with sanctioned banks and it's been alleged that there may be Russian money laundering.
There's bound to be hard evidence if those allegations are true. You all are afraid that they will find something because you know the man.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Sillyolme
insider.foxnews.com...
"If this were Hillary Clinton [having her lawyer's office raided], the ACLU would be on every TV station in America jumping up and down," he said. "The deafening silence of the ACLU and civil libertarians about the intrusion into the lawyer-client confidentiality is really appalling."
It is odd to me that this is so far out there, lifelong dems like Dershowitz opinions have no standing.
He is only yale law after all, worked under SCOTUS justices, but he knows nothing.........
Professor Alan M. Dershowitz is Brooklyn native who has been called “the nation’s most peripatetic civil liberties lawyer” and one of its “most distinguished defenders of individual rights,” “the best-known criminal lawyer in the world,” “the top lawyer of last resort,” “America’s most public Jewish defender” and “Israel’s single most visible defender – the Jewish state’s lead attorney in the court of public opinion.” He is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School. Dershowitz, a graduate of Brooklyn College and Yale Law School, joined the Harvard Law School faculty at age 25 after clerking for Judge David Bazelon and Justice Arthur Goldberg.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Another fun fact: It is the FEC's job to investigate campaign finance infractions.
Interesting we have yet to hear from the FEC.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus
hls.harvard.edu...
Professor Alan M. Dershowitz is Brooklyn native who has been called “the nation’s most peripatetic civil liberties lawyer” and one of its “most distinguished defenders of individual rights,” “the best-known criminal lawyer in the world,” “the top lawyer of last resort,” “America’s most public Jewish defender” and “Israel’s single most visible defender – the Jewish state’s lead attorney in the court of public opinion.” He is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School. Dershowitz, a graduate of Brooklyn College and Yale Law School, joined the Harvard Law School faculty at age 25 after clerking for Judge David Bazelon and Justice Arthur Goldberg.
Yea that looks like the description of a sycophant.
It appears to me Mr. Dershowitz has exactly the experience to comment on client attorney interactions and the legal protection of such.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
The warrant was authorized by Geoffrey Bergen: Federal Judge of the Southern District of NY (appointed by Trump himself), so logically it stands to reason Mueller would have provided adequate evidence to Bergen to allow for the raid (implying that he's got a fair bit of damning evidence that some kind of malfeasance has occurred already).