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F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

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posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 12:09 AM
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This could turn out to be incredibly damaging for Trump.

His 'long term' personal lawyer would have so much information on Trump. His emails, his secrets, his idea's, his directions.. all would be stored on that computer, in his safe, on his files etc.

It sounds like they took everything.

Knowing how corrupt the FBI are (and the NY attorney's office is probably an extension of the Clinton Base) this will be a total effort of information gathering.

This information is going to leak..

Was this even legal, is there a precedent?

A sitting Presidents personal lawyer being raided... that seems like a matter of National Security




posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: carewemust




posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 12:24 AM
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Aaaaah the tears. Toys leaving the pram left right and centre within Cult45.

Something something deep state etc.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 12:30 AM
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You do realize this IS a Game show!
"the Trump Show"
to keep you ALL occupied!
and it is working very Very well.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Raid a Democrats home on the suspicion that there might be evidence for an ongoing case? True patriots doing their job.

Raid anyone associated with Trump's homes on the suspicion there might be evidence for an ongoing case? They're anti-American/fascist scum that work for the "deep state".

Sound about right?



Can you name any Democrat's home that's been raided?

Democrats are outside the scope of Mueller's mandate.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 12:50 AM
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For almost 2 years they have been leading a fishing expedition to try and catch someone in Trump's orbit on a technically, and all they uncovered was the Democrats dirty laundry (U1, Podesta Group, Fusion GPS etc.)

Surely they will nab something on him this time, right guys?



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 12:56 AM
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Current website headlines:

CNN: NYT: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office

ABC News: FBI raids office of Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer

MSNBC: FBI raids office of longtime Trump lawyer Michael Cohen

NBC News: FBI raids the office of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen

Fox News: Zuckerberg wavers as pro-Trump social media stars Diamond and Silk slam Facebook’s ‘unsafe’ tag

One of these is not like the other...
Source



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 12:59 AM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

A Trump appointed Republican (Rosenstein) approved a request from a Republican (Mueller), who pulled this off by coordinating with a Trump appointed Republican prosecutor for the Southern District of New York.

Or as Trump calls it, a Democrat witch hunt.
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posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 01:01 AM
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My concern is what this does to attorney-client privilege and national security.

Any person accused of a crime in the United States is allowed benefit of counsel. For that counsel to be effective, there must exist a strict confidentiality between accused and attorney. If that privilege is abridged, we are no longer under the control of law. Anyone can be accused of any crime, and anyone who represents them can be coerced by threat of legal actions to reveal any information wanted... meaning the accused now has to treat any attorney as a hostile voice in his/her defense.

It is true that attorneys can be indicted for crimes committed - attorney-client privilege does not extend that far - but NOT for crimes committed by their client, unless the attorney actively aided and abetted the crimes. Not divulging the crimes of a client is not a crime for an attorney... indeed, it is expected in order to protect the client's right to representation. Any information gained from these raids, then, may not be used against Donald Trump in a courtroom. It can only be used against Cohen.

National security comes into play when one realizes that such coercion of law can be used to remove rights from a sitting official, meaning one can easily be blackmailed into performing any action desired, even actions which are directly contrary to the Constitution or law. This is no different than allowing the President, as the chief executive, to hound a Congressman with the FBI in order to force them to vote a certain way on certain proposed legislation.

Now, I read most of the thread, and I am aware that the raids were said to surround the Stormy Daniels affair. What law was broken in the dealings with Stormy Daniels? There is no law against having an affair. There is no law against paying someone to drop charges. If Cohen did pay off Daniels without Trump's direct knowledge, that indicates Trump had a standing order with him to settle all such claims... which would not be unusual. Wealthy people are often accused of things in order to extort money, and it is often much cheaper to just pay them off than to fight the accusation and have their brand dragged through the mud. That is not necessarily a campaign expense; it could be classified as a business or personal legal expense.

It makes no sense that an attorney for Donald Trump would have to take out a mortgage to pay an accuser on a standing order to do so. $130k would be almost petty cash, and would be paid out of the client's funds... not the attorney's funds! Any money fronted would have to be reimbursed quickly. Now, where was it reimbursed from? If the campaign, it could be written off as a legal campaign expense. If not, if reimbursed from business/personal funds, it could also be written off as a business/personal expense. In other words, there is no case there. It is Cohen's word against Daniels, the word of an attorney against the word of a porn star, as to whether or not she threatened the campaign, so either way could be presented as legal with no problem.

Likely, Daniels demanded the payoff immediately, and Trump was not immediately accessible, so Cohen took out the mortgage in order to cover the cost until he could contact Trump for reimbursement. That would be unusual but understandable, especially since Trump is reportedly Cohen's only client. Any failure that damaged the Trump brand could easily result in a total loss of income for Cohen.

So what we have is likely Mueller getting wind that there might be something in the payoff that could lead to campaign finance violations, referring the case to the FBI which is already under attack to release documents they obviously cannot release without implicating themselves in criminal conspiracy, and the FBI taking questionable legal action against the attorney of a sitting President. if so... that is treason.

Last I heard, treason is a capital offense.

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 01:28 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Current website headlines:

CNN: NYT: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office

ABC News: FBI raids office of Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer

MSNBC: FBI raids office of longtime Trump lawyer Michael Cohen

NBC News: FBI raids the office of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen

Fox News: Zuckerberg wavers as pro-Trump social media stars Diamond and Silk slam Facebook’s ‘unsafe’ tag

One of these is not like the other...
Source


Yet they're all still the MSM.




posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 01:53 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: Chadwickus

A Trump appointed Republican (Rosenstein) approved a request from a Republican (Mueller), who pulled this off by coordinating with a Trump appointed Republican prosecutor for the Southern District of New York.

Or as Trump calls it, a Democrat witch hunt.
Source


Quoted for truth and prominence. Can't wait for his next Twitter tantrum about how hard-done by he is.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 01:55 AM
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a reply to: yuppa

His record is a whole lot longer than that if that's even true. You can't besmirch his reputation sorry. And why do you feel the need to? Because he's investigating trump?
He was hired to do that!
I'm thinking you probably don't know much about him that wasn't provided by some biased website.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Not a bad resume if you care to know.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 01:56 AM
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Did a little checking.

Cohen’s LLC, Essential Consultants LLC, through which the NDA was arranged and the $130K was paid to Ms. Daniels, was registered in the state of Delaware on 10/17/2016 per the DE Secretary of State.

Now Trump has stated, publicly, that he had no knowledge of the agreement made by his attorney, Mr. Cohen, nor where Cohen got the money to pay Daniels. This rather disputes the theory that Cohen had any kind of “long standing arrangement” with Trump designed to handle potential “gold-diggers and extortionists”; such an arraignment would, perforce, had to have been pre-set and With Trump’s knowledge and consent.

Also determined that the state of Delaware, like the Federal government, does not recognize Single Member LLC’s as true LLC’s in their own right; in DE, as with the federal government, SMLLC’s are “disregarded entities”, defaulting to a sole proprietorship.

Without paying fees to the DE Secretary of State, I could not determine if Cohen’s LLC was in fact an SMLLC (which would ultimately put the registered owner of the company on the hook: was that Cohen?), or a multiple member LLC (who else is involved?).



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Dude had his hands on Fast & Furious.

What else needs to be said?



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 02:00 AM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

go to the daily mail there's a full transcript of trumps reply sorry am new here not sure yet how to post sources yet



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 02:00 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

I thought the NY FBI were in Rudy Guilanis pocket?



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 02:04 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Current website headlines:

Fox News: Zuckerberg wavers as pro-Trump social media stars Diamond and Silk slam Facebook’s ‘unsafe’ tag

One of these is not like the other...


not quite..



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 02:09 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Current website headlines:

CNN: NYT: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office

ABC News: FBI raids office of Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer

MSNBC: FBI raids office of longtime Trump lawyer Michael Cohen

NBC News: FBI raids the office of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen

Fox News: Zuckerberg wavers as pro-Trump social media stars Diamond and Silk slam Facebook’s ‘unsafe’ tag

One of these is not like the other...
Source


To follow the herd or.....not?



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 02:14 AM
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a reply to: IAMTAT>>> They use this unrelated case to go in and try to find ANYTHING they can to use against Trump. Either they were grasping for straws and the Russian Collusion case had come up empty, or they knew about something unrelated and wanted the proof to hold over him or to take him out with. Where the #$%& was this kind of zealotry with the allegations against the Clintons or Obama? Mueller is a POS, he's completely compromised and should spend 10 years in a federal pen along with Comey.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 02:32 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
I'm very interested into why this was an okay thing to do under the scope of Mueller's investigation, or if this will be the thing that takes his actions too far.


From how I interpret this the raid was due to his recommendation but not part of his investigation which I further interpret to mean he felt some sort of criminal wrong doing took place with Cohen but it was not his case to handle so informed the local FBI branch.


Also, but not only, Mueller has authority to investigate any matters that are identified during the Russia investigation. The Russia investigation most certainly does include illegal campaign donations from Russia and Ukraine. Cohen's payoff to Daniels appears to have been reimbursed to him by the Campaign. possibly with funds that originated in the Ukraine.

This transaction definitely falls within Mueller's remit, though he may have decided that it wasn't central to his investigation and 'offloaded' further investigation and prosecution to the local FBI and Federal Attorneys. That is also within his remit: notifying the FBI when you gain knowledge of Federal crimes.



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