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Has Putin learnt nada from history?

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posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 09:12 AM
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nobody has. ever.




posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker


[It was France and the U.K. and your assessment doesn't change the facts of it

Fact is, France and UK are members of NATO.

You can carve that "Coalition" up all you like, NATO acts in Unison, not as individuals. But Get the need to downplay NATO operations ongoing and deflect they are but the military arm of the world wide banking interests.

As far as Oil yes, when Saddam and Qaddafi threatened to start trading oil for gold, that was it, respectively.

Nobody will trade oil for anything but Petro (US) dollars.



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: Revolution9

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Here in the West we have civilized our way out of that with democracy. We of course were taught this the hard way, but now we are on the cusp of heralding a wonderful time of light, except for the POLITICAL DARKNESS of Russia and China, too, if it is not careful.



You lost me right there. Democracy is a stage play. Money decides who runs what. Look at who finances winners campaigns and it's all just writing on the wall.



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nwtrucker


[It was France and the U.K. and your assessment doesn't change the facts of it

Fact is, France and UK are members of NATO.

You can carve that "Coalition" up all you like, NATO acts in Unison, not as individuals. But Get the need to downplay NATO operations ongoing and deflect they are but the military arm of the world wide banking interests.

As far as Oil yes, when Saddam and Qaddafi threatened to start trading oil for gold, that was it, respectively.

Nobody will trade oil for anything but Petro (US) dollars.


Iran trades in the Yuan. China has instituted the Petro-Yuan. To me it's semantics. NWO, bankers or just oil issues. Europe is addicted to ME oil. That isn't changing any time soon. The U.S. is no longer. Yes, the U.S. supported it with a secondary role. EW assets and the like. The dirty work was done by the French. If the U.S. had bowed out, likely they'd have others 'bowing out' when U.S. wanted support later on.

Where I part ways on it, gold notwithstanding, is the Brotherhood moving in. Sykes-Picot vs Levant. Screw Europe. Screw the ME. Yes, screw NATO. I couldn't care less what group, what combination of groups, what reasoning. Get out of Syria as ISIS is done. Get out of Afghanistan as it's as unwinnable now as it was with Bush and Obama.

Iran? A different story.



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 10:16 AM
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Regardless to what most People think Mr Putin is not really that clever.
And it is becoming more evident day by day.
a reply to: Whoisjohngalt



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: Murphy2292
Regardless to what most People think Mr Putin is not really that clever.
And it is becoming more evident day by day.
a reply to: Whoisjohngalt



Right. If he was smart he never would have annexed Crimea and got all these sanctions on him. He would have occupied Crimea like how Turkey occupies northern Syria with no consequences.
edit on 9-4-2018 by CMusi because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: Whoisjohngalt

Lol we don't recognize Jerusalem or their capital in the international order. Yeah what a dummy



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 11:06 AM
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look for the heaviest feet and who lie beneath them. Corruption against the American people by our government is evident. Dont doubt the manipulative nature we maintain internationally. Putin is prolly a bad guy, but our media and governments word isnt worth the pixels it occupies.



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Why was the Patriot Act rolled out 26 days after 9/11? (Hint: it took longer than 26 days to write it).


originally posted by: Xcathdra
To deal with the threat of groups who operate outside of traditional governments and territories. Given it deals solely with terrorism drafting the bill was not difficult.


That's why 90% of the time it was used for domestic drug cases. And majority of those cases were Meth. Note that Meth is the one 'higher level' drug that pretty much any body can go and make (meaning the CIA etc cant control the global trade the way they have their hands in the int'l Coke & heroin trades). Meth is an interior competitor to their smugglng game and that makes it "terrorist" stuff (despite the fact their narcoterrorist allies [like in Afghanistan where 90% the world heroin supply originates] run all the 'accepted drugs').



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: Revolution9

I see no evidence russia is uniquely corrupt or evil...


More than that there is a very real reason for the war of “communism vs capitalism “ and it has nothing to do with good or evil..


Imho it is all propaganda over who will run a particular society..


With monarchies power lies with the nobility and aristocracy.

In Capitalism power lies with the merchant class.

Communism the peasant military rules..

Socialism your secular peasantry rules..


I think ALOT of our present propaganda is waged because of fear of whatever section of the population presently rules , will lose power to some competing sector..


During Napoleon’s day it was the monachies vs the merchant classes or pesant classes..


Now in the Cold War it became the merchant classes fear of the peasants overthrowing them that led to all the propaganda..

So communism and anyone pushing the peasants comming togather against the merchant class became “evil” and the opposite of freedom..


Really no system is inherently good or evil.. all depends on who is in charge.



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker


Screw Europe. Screw the ME. Yes, screw NATO. I couldn't care less what group, what combination of groups, what reasoning. Get out of Syria as ISIS is done. Get out of Afghanistan as it's as unwinnable now as it was with Bush and Obama.

We're about to go all in on Syria. Been listening to the most recent chemical redline trump rhetoric? "Big decision coming in 24 to 48 hours"...

Meanwhile, Israel has just struck a Syrian Airbase.

Opening Prelude to the next act...


Iran? A different story.

Iran has always been the prize. But first, Syria.



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: Revolution9
I think Putin is going down the same road as Hitler. I have been watching this demise of Putin happening for some time. Many years ago I knew he would be trouble one day. It is Putin getting older that the world had to worry about. It's cool when your young, but the corruption of age and too much power for too long has broken his soul.

Looks like Putin has gone a bit insane to me. I was fearing this day for a long time, but now it is here I am not actually frightened at all. I knew it would come and I tell you now watch out for China, too. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Here in the West we have civilized our way out of that with democracy. We of course were taught this the hard way, but now we are on the cusp of heralding a wonderful time of light, except for the POLITICAL DARKNESS of Russia and China, too, if it is not careful.

I am at the bottom of the chain in the West. I am a lonely guy on welfare who has been severely misunderstood by family, friends and authority. SEE, how I tell you that everything is cool. I am getting lots out of my life and the society I am in is worth loving and caring about still because I have the most important thing of all - FREEDOM. You would think I would be spiteful and full of hate, willing to praise the West's enemies in my pursuit of revenge. Nope, I am chilled because my Master taught me how to respond in a way that will teach the world instead of trying to crucify it back.

The symptoms of Putin's madness are his paranoid bot network (the invention of a crazy person not a balanced thinking statesman), his gangster behavior, even stooping to the depths of chemically attacking a young lady WHO IS THE SAME BLOOD AS HE, just like SAD ASS chemically attacks HIS OWN BLOOD. If they are willing to persecute THEIR OWN BLOOD for their political ends...then...

BE SURE AS HELL THEY WILL BE EVEN MORE WILLING TO DO IT TO US.

Chamberlain quaked in his pants before the ogre of Hitler. Don't do that this time. Don't give an inch so a mile can be taken. Every success makes the mad man even bolder and willing to go even a bit further.

Putin has his own axis powers now. Bush was right when he called Iran part of the axis of evil. Indeed, for the West it is, as it stands. Like the Israeli Prime Minister told Obama he was making a big mistake by trusting Iran; he did make a mighty foreign policy blunder and has handed dowen a greater problem now to Trump.

Putin has quite indeed gone over to the DARK SIDE. Russia is not gaining from him if only they knew it, but they don't. We all know what propaganda they are fed; Putin is a master of it. Putin is holding Russia back and making it poorer and more alientated. The sanctions are only going to keep growing if he continues on this violent and aggressive path.

He is making the same errors as Hitler did. He think he is mighty and unstoppable. He quite clearly is just another tin pot you know what who the earth will take out violently one day if he carries on this way. Creation is the most ruthless gangster of all when it comes to karma.

The West can go no other way, but to evangelize with democracy and freedom. Both China and Russia almost made it, but they are not yet civilized enough to handle power properly and as a result billions of people have to suffer that barbarism.

I will ge to the point. I do not fear Putin or anything he might bring on. It is possible he may one day have to be tested like Hitler was if he continues his aggression and inflicting his insanity on the rest of the world. It was sanctions that made Hitler bite like a mad dog. Then six years later Hitler shot himself in the head like a clown does only with real bullets instead of flowers popping out of the Luger, lol! Yes, Mr Putin, there is still right and wrong in the universe. If you are wrong look out because the Angel of Justice is coming for you. It will hit you like a falcon when you are least expecting it, like a thief in the night.

The world has the option to now have all eyes on Russia, Iran and all the others who have not yet been able to tame their BEAST. Putin has been up to this covertly for many years. He is clever. So was Hitler. Being clever is not enough of an insurance policy to keep you looking like the biggest clown in creation falling over your own AK47. If I was in the Good Lord's shiny shoes I would be iron fist all over Putin for doing what he has done with his AK47s in Africa alone.

Putin could have been a friend to the world. Look what he has become; just another monster for history to jot down in its litle black book. What are we to do with him? Usual warfare is now not possible. They are fighting proxy style in many places militarily, economically and financially. It is all ugly, but we have to keep our end up because if we don't then that corner of the fort wil crumble and we know what happens then.

In the West we are in the right. We make our citizens happy enough in the main to want to live. They have freedom, even freedom to be naughty and given second chances. It is PROGRESS. Almost there, so near yet so far. The citizens of Russia are still caged up. In China they are still caged up. The cage will spread if it is not alienated and starved (I mean starved of homage and nurturing, not physically). I would personally never nurture anything that puts life in prison. Only that which threatens law needs to be in prison.

I hope heavy diplomacy can resolve this for now so no more babies get murdered and mutilated by Putin's best mate. Then it is just a waiting game for any sign of positive step to high civilization these behind political Neanderthals want to take.



Excellent post, spot on accurate.

There is no nation that wants to invade and occupy Russia but Putin acts like there is. He should have shook hands with the West and allied with them by now instead of facing off with the mini Cold War he manufactures. Europe would gladly trade freely with them and his border nations would prosper instead of being just a buffer zone of meat shields for manufactured hostility. NATO may even have disbanded by now if Russia went differently.

But maybe it was their last ditch plan all along for the USSR to cede their only commodity, territory, to reorganize under the iron grip of an SS....I mean KGB tyrant.



posted on Apr, 9 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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Who cares what Putin the boogeyman does?

The gov and the entire media are pushing communism in our own country.

Our gov has sold us out, the justice system has sold us out, our local governments have sold us out, the constitution has been ammended to not protect us and rob us.

The ones that are supposed to protect us are removing people from decent employment for life.
The ones that are supposed to protect us are running the law and prisons for profit.

We are not represented, we are still taxed. We rent our house from the gov now.

The gov is wrecking the country, not Putin.

What do I do to escape this nightmare?

Move to a deserted island, or float around the ocean like waterworld.

We need our fn country back.

Wait till these guys go full AI with this propaganda bs.

Fun times ahead





posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 01:49 AM
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lol Hitler and putin on the big worm road ?

We (the collective of zod) think history is ever changing written by the winners. Putin just a guy with a difficult job, rebuilding Russia. You think in putin units. Can't blame you , your mind may be invested by MSM propaganda. Try to think in people ... like eh , Russian people. Like all the anti-russian sentiment by the west how would that affect them.



posted on Apr, 10 2018 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: Revolution9

Do you work for the Clintion foundation by any chance?




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