Chinese Stealth Bomber H-20 Art, Hinting Reveal or Unoriginality

a reply to: Blackfinger

playing the devil's advocate;

if it used hypersonic or even high supersonic weapons they would be able to get in range of their targets slow down to radiate the heat off via passive or even active methods would be able to hit their targets well before the targets were able to get a good firing solution on the aircraft(IR signatures or radar).

if they were going to attack the continental US, they would more than likely use ICBMs and sub launched weapons and even those would be shot down.

it would make no tactical sense to send the bombers in without clearing the way of radars and sam systems. China has the ability and assets to target these issues, so as long as they could refuel then they wouldn't really need an enormous fuel tank.

a reply to: penroc3

You still need pretty good range even with refueling available. Unless you want to risk an ICBM duel, they've got to be able to get within range of Guam, Okinawa, and Japan. With the tankers on Okinawa and Japan the fighter screen can be pushed out pretty far. If their tankers have to sit practically on top of those areas for this thing to reach them and get back to them, they're dead. That puts China in the same boat that we're in, with regards to Pacific operations and tactical air.

a reply to: Zaphod58

true

i think they would use them more as stealth missile trucks and anti ship warfare. they would stand almost zero chance in a head on fight with the US or Russia.

if we got into a shooting war with China i think they would use these bombers as ISR and anti ship roles because they could hang around the 'islands' and coast otherwise they would just get blown out of the sky if they got anywhere near our bases in Guam,DG or our fleets. If they launched their new DF anti ship rocket it would more than likely look like a first nuclear strike(considering they would use small yield warheads) and would escalated very quickly.

I don't think these are a real threat to the US mainland, if you compare these new bombers to what the US can put up in the air and space they would just be wasted that's why i think if China was going to hit the US it would have to be a ICBM strike. However regonaly the chinese forces would be very scary.

i would love to know how there hypersonics are really going, that is the only thing they could really put into play that might level the field

How hard would it be to fit a Nuke to a Black Triangle? :-P

a reply to: Blackfinger

Triangles have anti matter weaponry.

Why put an antique on it?

Nukes are trendy.Everything old is new again.

a reply to: grey580

my extremely close up sighting if a tri that i'm 99% sure was ours(US) was about the size of a F-22.

so i don't think they could put a lot of conventional arms on it, i would assume they would have to carry whatever add ons internally. That being said, if they could release an inert round(like a DU dart) when they are going very fast i think would be a very effective penetrator. OR if they got into space they could do the whole rods from god thing, seeing as it seems like they can get to LEO easily they could go up with a few rods and drop them and come home to get more if needed.

As someone has already alluded to, the power sources they must have would be the perfect source for lasers or particle beams or something more exotic.

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a reply to: Masisoar

As stated on the sino net, this really is a b-2 model, not the H-20. There are also an f-22 and f-35 wind tunnel models out there,, too. The chinese want to understand how our birds behave and perform as much as we want to with theirs.

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: grey580

my extremely close up sighting if a tri that i'm 99% sure was ours(US) was about the size of a F-22.

so i don't think they could put a lot of conventional arms on it, i would assume they would have to carry whatever add ons internally. That being said, if they could release an inert round(like a DU dart) when they are going very fast i think would be a very effective penetrator. OR if they got into space they could do the whole rods from god thing, seeing as it seems like they can get to LEO easily they could go up with a few rods and drop them and come home to get more if needed.

As someone has already alluded to, the power sources they must have would be the perfect source for lasers or particle beams or something more exotic.

Somewhere, back in the day there was an article on the Blackbird family and what it could do if it dropped a 2500# steel dart at speed and altitude. If memory serves, the dart would go through a carrier (hit the deck and go out the bottom) or a few hundred feet of earth or 30' of reinforced concrete. I don't remember if it was in one of the combat mags or a booklet with one of the models I had.

a reply to: Masisoar

interesting leading edge on the model.

looks like kapton tape but i doubt it is

These Companies could be selling their tech & plans to China on the low down. They are all about making money, Then just say China stole the tech, plans to cover their asses.

a reply to: 11SK1180

Not even necessary, we were allowing military tech transfers (and more) since we established informal relations with the Chinese during the Nixon era. Every President since then followed that tradition (some more so than others *cough* Reagan *cough*) until they blossomed into the cancer they are today.

a reply to: Masisoar

Bill clinton sold the desgin of one of our most advanced nuclear weapons to the chinese to 'even the playing field' and had a major part in helping NoKor jump start their nuclear weapons program

then we have the clintons selling Russia uranium.....i think that is a red herring and was allot more than what they said went down that night on the tarmac

We helped make China what it is today.....and that's scary because to me that means there are people in very powerful positions in and out of the US government that wants to have what China has and it's not crappy knock offs....

a reply to: penroc3

They actually obtained it prior to Bill Clinton's time in office, they just didn't make it official until during his administration.

We definitely helped make China what it is today. The same way American companies (pre-WW2) helped Nazi Germany rise to its height, before we had to wrestle back control of natural resources and jump-start our own industrial capacity to compete with them.

a reply to: grey580

Pretty much.

Who needs bombs when you're in a bubble of increased c?

Just shine a laser pointer out the window and let the sparks fly.

Probably fan art. But...it was attached to someone who is noted for fairly accurate information from inside China.

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And so it begins?

Maybe it begins. This might be edited B-2 footage. Then again, it fits with what we know of the H-20.