Trump and Israel to attack Iran

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: silo13
So.. Trump and Israel will attack Iran and the source is an IRGC commander.
LOLOLOL
ok.........

Mark this day...we agree on something!

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
IF true, this is 39.650000XD chess!!!

No, not so many dimensions!

Lets imagine a multifront attack on the shiite axis stretching from the mediterranian sea to the indian ocean.

- US starts moving AF from Qatar to Jordan
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- "Hezbollah nerve gaz missile attack on Israel"

- Israel attacks and occupies Lebanon preventing the return of Hizbollah fighters from Syria or killing them in transit

- Turkey continues attacks on Kurd areas from west to east and occupies them

- "Syrian nerve gaz missile attack on Israel"

- US Troops attack Syria from Jordan and occupy the Syria-Iraq border area and block the retreat of Iranian troops, turn left then and roll direction Damascus

- Israel rolls direction Damascus from the west

- "Iranian nerve gaz missile attack on SA"

- Saudi Arabia attacks and occupies Qatar and starts an offensive via Kuwait and Iraq into Iran while bombing them over the gulf.

- Of cause not alone, allies will support them from occupied Qatar and other non SA sites, "no holy # ground touched by infidel boots".
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In the Balkans:

- Turkey occupies Armenia and Azerbaidschan

- Georgia starts the next conflict with Russia

- The Chechens and Dagestanians are bought by SA and revolt


Meanwhile in Europe if Russia doesn't pull back from Syria:

- "Ukrainian rebel nerve gaz missile attack on Kiev"

- Ukraine invites NATO troops
...


Joker: The Chinese

a reply to: greyhat

Preparation continues.

Israel Breaking ‏
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An attack on Israel from Syria, orchestrated by Iran, is expected to be carried out soon using heavy Iranian missiles, according to multiple senior IDF officials. Preprations for attack began weeks ago, but was delayed due to Israeli airstrike on stockpile to be used in attack.

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a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Not if Iran attacks first through one of its Proxy armies. JPost just saying Lebanese elections just closed the polling stations, missile barrage expected in revenge for Israelli air attacked on Syrian based Iranian Rev Guards

("Amir reports in the above video (start at 2:00) Trump and Israel have agreed to attack Iran. Amir is quoting from Al Jarida News ." )





That statement right there is the giveaway.

Do you really believe If Trump and Israel were really going to attack Iran in a conjoined effort , that they would run any risk in letting that slip out so that a news agency can report it? and Thus allowing Iran to be more prepared.

Highly unlikely...

Sure even in war historically speaking there are agreements, warnings prior to an attack etc...

But you have to keep in mind that Syria is in a vastly different situation than Iran. There many different parties in Syria and war is a daily struggle there.

Iran, not so much...

I used to get very paranoid when I read tabloids like these, but over time I started seeing the predictable patterns in the media.

I wouldn't worry too much about war with Iran. Hopefully I'm not wrong.

a reply to: greyhat


If Iran launches an attack from Syria against Israel, then Syria is open to invasion. I don't think they would make it that easy.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: greyhat


If Iran launches an attack from Syria against Israel, then Syria is open to invasion. I don't think they would make it that easy.

Good point. Iran has Russia fire power in Syria. Don't need to get involved itself. Iran basically buys Russia army with oil money. Russia is Iran's proxy in Syria.

No, Trump is not going to attack Iran. GOP would never win another election ever again if that happens if Trump knows it. Iran is several times the size of Iraq and they are not even Arabs. Iran makes Iraq look like a walk in the park.

a reply to: anonentity

Israel is prepping a storyline for a "preemptive war".

Is there provable evidence of "Iranian rocket attack preparations"?

Iran is preparing a barrage of missiles to launch against Israeli military positions from Syrian territory, Hebrew media reported Sunday, citing defense officials.

Iran plans to avenge alleged Israeli strikes on its bases in Syria, Ma'ariv defense analyst Alon Ben David said, by targeting military targets in northern Israel.

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originally posted by: greyhat
a reply to: anonentity

Israel is prepping a storyline for a "preemptive war".

Is there provable evidence of "Iranian rocket attack preparations"?

Kinda actually: www.timesofisrael.com...

But relax, there wont be "a war", preemptive or otherwise. Netanyahu doesnt have the balls to clear the tables in Syria.
If a Iranian backed group fires a few rockets at Israel nothing much will happen besides some retalitory strikes on the border. If they use some more sophisticated long range missiles against some army base in the Golan or even Ramon AB, Israel will hit a juciy target from their list in Syria and call it a day.
If Iran is stupid enough to attack Israeli Population centers with ballistic missile strikes from either Syria or Iran itself, things might change. But this is extremely unlikely at this point, Iran built their proxies for a reason and their capabilities are pretty limited.

originally posted by: mightmight

originally posted by: greyhat
a reply to: anonentity

Israel is prepping a storyline for a "preemptive war".

Is there provable evidence of "Iranian rocket attack preparations"?

Kinda actually: www.timesofisrael.com...

But relax, there wont be "a war", preemptive or otherwise. Netanyahu doesnt have the balls to clear the tables in Syria.
If a Iranian backed group fires a few rockets at Israel nothing much will happen besides some retalitory strikes on the border. If they use some more sophisticated long range missiles against some army base in the Golan or even Ramon AB, Israel will hit a juciy target from their list in Syria and call it a day.
If Iran is stupid enough to attack Israeli Population centers with ballistic missile strikes from either Syria or Iran itself, things might change. But this is extremely unlikely at this point, Iran built their proxies for a reason and their capabilities are pretty limited.

Iran has ballistic missiles that can hit anywhere in Israel and AFAIK they said they will hit population centers in Israel if Israel invades Syria. So if Israel invades Syria then all bets are off and god knows what would happen but hopefully the Russia army in Syria can deter Netanyahu from invading Syria.

Iran buys Russia as its proxy in Syria and while Israel is militarily powerful, it is still no match for Russia which has godly military technology. So if Israel does invade Syria to annex the rest of Syria like Israel did with Golan, then Israel army would be seriously devastated by Russia army in Syria.

Iran has ballistic missiles that can hit anywhere in Israel and AFAIK they said they will hit population centers in Israel if Israel invades Syria.

They never said anything of the sort, just the usual we'll wipe out the Zionist stuff. And an israeli invasion of Syria is not on the table anyway.

Iran buys Russia as its proxy in Syria and while Israel is militarily powerful, it is still no match for Russia which has godly military technology.

Russia has only a very limited military presence in Syria. In a confrontation with Israel they woudlnt be able to hold out for long. They could certainly hurt the Israeli Air Force with an S-400 Bataillon conducting a surprise attack against an IAF strike package or something, but once the chips are down, the IAF could take them out pretty quickly. They could go for cruise missile attacks and strategic bomber raids but not much else.

So if Israel does invade Syria to annex the rest of Syria like Israel did with Golan, then Israel army would be seriously devastated by Russia army in Syria.

There are actually no Russian Army troops in Syria besides some Military Police. They have a robust expeditionary wing backed up by two S400 bataillons, Pantsirs, some naval infantry and SOF. Nothing that could hold out for long in an symmetric engagement with a regional power.
But neither Israel nor Russia has any interest to fight the other. Its extremely unlikley that Russia would intervene Israeli strike on Syria unless its forces or interests were directly threatened. Basically as long as they can keep their bases, Russia doesnt really care what else happens in Syria.

originally posted by: mightmight

Iran has ballistic missiles that can hit anywhere in Israel and AFAIK they said they will hit population centers in Israel if Israel invades Syria.

They never said anything of the sort, just the usual we'll wipe out the Zionist stuff. And an israeli invasion of Syria is not on the table anyway.

Iran buys Russia as its proxy in Syria and while Israel is militarily powerful, it is still no match for Russia which has godly military technology.

Russia has only a very limited military presence in Syria. In a confrontation with Israel they woudlnt be able to hold out for long. They could certainly hurt the Israeli Air Force with an S-400 Bataillon conducting a surprise attack against an IAF strike package or something, but once the chips are down, the IAF could take them out pretty quickly. They could go for cruise missile attacks and strategic bomber raids but not much else.

So if Israel does invade Syria to annex the rest of Syria like Israel did with Golan, then Israel army would be seriously devastated by Russia army in Syria.

There are actually no Russian Army troops in Syria besides some Military Police. They have a robust expeditionary wing backed up by two S400 bataillons, Pantsirs, some naval infantry and SOF. Nothing that could hold out for long in an symmetric engagement with a regional power.
But neither Israel nor Russia has any interest to fight the other. Its extremely unlikley that Russia would intervene Israeli strike on Syria unless its forces or interests were directly threatened. Basically as long as they can keep their bases, Russia doesnt really care what else happens in Syria.

Russia has many times the military might of Israel. If the Russia army in Syria get overwhelmed by Israeli army, then Russia can transfer more forces to Syria. And Russia has access to Iran air bases such as Hamadan which are not that far from Syria especially with aerial refueling. And Russia ballistic missiles can hit Israel from Russia mainland. If Netanyahu does invade Syria he better be ready for 2 consequences. He wins then he goes down as the best Israeli leader. He loses then he and his part are both finished for good.

Saddam easily annexed Kuwait but what happened afterwards with Desert Storm launched from Saudi Arabia was the real deal.

originally posted by: jumanji

Russia has many times the military might of Israel.
If the Russia army in Syria get overwhelmed by Israeli army, then Russia can transfer more forces to Syria.

Just like that, huh?
Reinforcements to Syria would have to come by sea (takes long too) or by air (always limited in scope), both ways can easily be denied by Israel. It would be a comparativley trivial exercise to shut down Damascus International and Latakia / Tartus. Also, ist not like Russia has transport ships and planes just sitting around and the logistical chain to Support them. The Russian Military is not build for warfare abroad like the US is.
Yes sure, Russia could sneak in some fighter jets or light airborne troops on some airfield somewhere out in nowhere if tey really tried, but to what end? The point is, they wouldnt be able to build up any kind of threatening force on Israels doorstep.

And Russia has access to Iran air bases such as Hamadan which are not that far from Syria especially with aerial refueling.
And Russia ballistic missiles can hit Israel from Russia mainland.

And the Russians setting up shop there would just end like their presence at Hmeimim if Israels picks a fight. They'd be wiped out in very short order. Not that some Russian jets in western Iran would matter though, the IAF is perfectly capable of repelling any Russian attack from the East. Which would coincidently force the Russians to fly over at least Iraq, maybe Jordan or even Saudi Arabia as well. You dont think that would get the US involved pretty quickly?

As for air refueling - the Russian Air Force has a grand total of 18 tankers. Its severely limited in their capability to Support fighter movements abroad or to conduct long range strikes. As said, the russian Military is not a expeditionary force. They do more than fine on their home turf but are not able to support enough force levels to stand up to a regional power on their turf.

As for ballistic missile attacks - yes they can do that. Cruise Missiles from ships and strategic bombers too. But unless they want to nuke a nuclear power, they'll have difficulty getting through Israeli AD/BMD. Israel probably has one of the worlds most advanced air defense networks. Its layered defense umbrella should be perfectly capable of mitigating any concievable Russian ballistic / cruise missile barrage. Sure some would get through, but so what? Russia wouldnt use nukes and they wouldnt go after population centers anyway.
And again, you'd think the US would just sit idly by while Russia starts employing that kind of weaponry?

If Netanyahu does invade Syria he better be ready for 2 consequences. He wins then he goes down as the best Israeli leader. He loses then he and his part are both finished for good.

Saddam easily annexed Kuwait but what happened afterwards with Desert Storm launched from Saudi Arabia was the real deal.

Yeah no. Nobody is planning an Invasoin of Syria let alone annexation. Jesus.

originally posted by: mightmight

originally posted by: jumanji

Russia has many times the military might of Israel.
If the Russia army in Syria get overwhelmed by Israeli army, then Russia can transfer more forces to Syria.

Just like that, huh?
Reinforcements to Syria would have to come by sea (takes long too) or by air (always limited in scope), both ways can easily be denied by Israel. It would be a comparativley trivial exercise to shut down Damascus International and Latakia / Tartus. Also, ist not like Russia has transport ships and planes just sitting around and the logistical chain to Support them. The Russian Military is not build for warfare abroad like the US is.
Yes sure, Russia could sneak in some fighter jets or light airborne troops on some airfield somewhere out in nowhere if tey really tried, but to what end? The point is, they wouldnt be able to build up any kind of threatening force on Israels doorstep.

And Russia has access to Iran air bases such as Hamadan which are not that far from Syria especially with aerial refueling.
And Russia ballistic missiles can hit Israel from Russia mainland.

And the Russians setting up shop there would just end like their presence at Hmeimim if Israels picks a fight. They'd be wiped out in very short order. Not that some Russian jets in western Iran would matter though, the IAF is perfectly capable of repelling any Russian attack from the East. Which would coincidently force the Russians to fly over at least Iraq, maybe Jordan or even Saudi Arabia as well. You dont think that would get the US involved pretty quickly?

As for air refueling - the Russian Air Force has a grand total of 18 tankers. Its severely limited in their capability to Support fighter movements abroad or to conduct long range strikes. As said, the russian Military is not a expeditionary force. They do more than fine on their home turf but are not able to support enough force levels to stand up to a regional power on their turf.

As for ballistic missile attacks - yes they can do that. Cruise Missiles from ships and strategic bombers too. But unless they want to nuke a nuclear power, they'll have difficulty getting through Israeli AD/BMD. Israel probably has one of the worlds most advanced air defense networks. Its layered defense umbrella should be perfectly capable of mitigating any concievable Russian ballistic / cruise missile barrage. Sure some would get through, but so what? Russia wouldnt use nukes and they wouldnt go after population centers anyway.
And again, you'd think the US would just sit idly by while Russia starts employing that kind of weaponry?

If Netanyahu does invade Syria he better be ready for 2 consequences. He wins then he goes down as the best Israeli leader. He loses then he and his part are both finished for good.

Saddam easily annexed Kuwait but what happened afterwards with Desert Storm launched from Saudi Arabia was the real deal.

Yeah no. Nobody is planning an Invasoin of Syria let alone annexation. Jesus.

Russia reinforcements to Syria would come via Caspian Sea to bases in Iran and Iraq which are hostile to America especially if Trump invades Syria. Russia Iraq Iran Syria pretty much have defense pact.

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originally posted by: jumanji

Russia reinforcements to Syria would come via Caspian Sea to bases in Iran and Iraq which are hostile to America especially if Trump invades Syria. Russia Iraq Iran Syria pretty much have defense pact.

So now its Trump who will invade Syria? Equally ridiculous. There is zero buildup of US ground troops in the region. He coudlnt invade if he wanted to. Which he doesnt.

As for russian reinforcements via Iran - you do realize that you can just transfer Russian military equipment through Kurdistan, right? There is no infrastructure for it. Logistics would be a nightmare, the equipment would be worn out before it reaches Syria. The Kurds wouldnt have it. Neither would Iraq. Or the US. Or Israel.
The region is like the center of the wests fight against ISIS for crying out loud. There are tons of SOF deployed there and the western alliance rules the air. Remember the last time russian mercenaries decided to brawl with US SOFs in Eastern Syria? They got mauled so bad the incident was all but buried. You think it would be even remotely possible to push what? the equivalent of an full blown Army Group through the region? This is not just ridiculous, this idea is total, unequivocal bs.

As for defense pacts between Russia, Syria and Iran - not they dont have one. Russia has interests in the region, nothing more, nothing less. They dont give a damn about Assad or Irans beef with Israel. They are acutally pretty friendly with Israel and worked out a mutual understanding over Syria years ago which so far worked out pretty well. As long as they can keep their bases, they sure as hell wont intervene in a Israeli-Iranian brawl.

originally posted by: mightmight

originally posted by: jumanji

Russia reinforcements to Syria would come via Caspian Sea to bases in Iran and Iraq which are hostile to America especially if Trump invades Syria. Russia Iraq Iran Syria pretty much have defense pact.

So now its Trump who will invade Syria? Equally ridiculous. There is zero buildup of US ground troops in the region. He coudlnt invade if he wanted to. Which he doesnt.

As for russian reinforcements via Iran - you do realize that you can just transfer Russian military equipment through Kurdistan, right? There is no infrastructure for it. Logistics would be a nightmare, the equipment would be worn out before it reaches Syria. The Kurds wouldnt have it. Neither would Iraq. Or the US. Or Israel.
The region is like the center of the wests fight against ISIS for crying out loud. There are tons of SOF deployed there and the western alliance rules the air. Remember the last time russian mercenaries decided to brawl with US SOFs in Eastern Syria? They got mauled so bad the incident was all but buried. You think it would be even remotely possible to push what? the equivalent of an full blown Army Group through the region? This is not just ridiculous, this idea is total, unequivocal bs.

As for defense pacts between Russia, Syria and Iran - not they dont have one. Russia has interests in the region, nothing more, nothing less. They dont give a damn about Assad or Irans beef with Israel. They are acutally pretty friendly with Israel and worked out a mutual understanding over Syria years ago which so far worked out pretty well. As long as they can keep their bases, they sure as hell wont intervene in a Israeli-Iranian brawl.

The title of this thread is Trump and Israel to attack Iran, which I find unlikely. Trump is stupid, but he's not that stupid. He cares about his legacy. He don't want to be another Bush, the worst president in US history thus far.

Russia sends supplies to Syria via Iran and Iraq airspace all the time. The US doesn't shoot them down.

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Stop talking about war like it's a game. It's not. Even the Gulf War took months of failed negotiation before a very limited campaign took place.

As for an Iran Israel war, not gonna happen. They have pretty good relations. Iran has no territorial claim on Israel. Israel has no territorial claim on Iran. Their rhetoric to each other is only for domestic consumption. They do not shoot at each other unless attacked.

originally posted by: jumanji
Russia sends supplies to Syria via Iran and Iraq airspace all the time. The US doesn't shoot them down.

Of course, Russia is not at war with Israel or tries to push an Army Group through the region as it would be neccessary to threaten Israel like you claimed. Russia has every right to supports its small expeditionary force in Syria through Iran. An active shooting war between them and Israel would change things radically.

And no, supporting an expeditionary air wing is not comparable to building up a conventional force capable of standing up to the IDF.

Stop talking about war like it's a game. It's not. Even the Gulf War took months of failed negotiation before a very limited campaign took place.

I'm not talking about any war since no war will happen. Neither Israel nor the US will invade Syria. We might see a fairly wide scale Israeli air campaign against the Iranian presence in Syria, but this will not lead to a regional war.
But no, a potential war between Israel and its neighbours wouldnt start after months long negotiations or anything. Dont compare such a scenario to the US wars of choice in the past. They needed to build a narrative to sell at home and all that. Israel will act if it has to, usually without talking much about it first. But as said - no major war on the horizon. Second Lebanon 'war' scale at the very worst.

As for an Iran Israel war, not gonna happen. They have pretty good relations. Iran has no territorial claim on Israel. Israel has no territorial claim on Iran. Their rhetoric to each other is only for domestic consumption. They do not shoot at each other unless attacked.

And meanwhile in the universe i'm happen to live in - Israeli Iranian relations are about as bad as it gets. Both sides are engaged in an open conflict with attacks being a weekly occurance.

originally posted by: mightmight

originally posted by: greyhat
a reply to: anonentity

Israel is prepping a storyline for a "preemptive war".

Is there provable evidence of "Iranian rocket attack preparations"?

Kinda actually: www.timesofisrael.com...

But relax, there wont be "a war", preemptive or otherwise. Netanyahu doesnt have the balls to clear the tables in Syria.

How do they define Israel? The Golan heights for instance are occupied Syrian territory.

IDF Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems on the occupied Golan heights, life fire exercises on the northern border, this doesnt look like a peace initiative.

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