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Modern Technology & Other Signs of the End
The Bible, especially the book of Revelation, is filled with allegorical stories and symbolic tales. The problem is in interpretation. Are these stories prophetic warnings for us, or social commentary for the readers of the time of their writing? Fundamentalists and conspiratorialists try desperately to stretch apocalyptic writings (that were about the politics of their time) to fit modern times. They also try to fit poetic pictures of destruction into modern technology. The most obvious of these is the idea that fire raining down from heaven means nuclear-armed missiles. Another is the idea that the phrase "every eye shall see him" (Rev. 1:7) refers to the return of Christ being seen worldwide on television.
Hal Lindsey has speculated that the demonic locusts, the plague of the fifth trumpet, represent helicopters. Here is the actual description of the locusts from Rev. 9:7-10:
In appearance the locusts were like horses arrayed for battle; on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth; they had scales like iron breastplates, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots rushing into battle. They have tails like scorpions, and stings, and their power of hurting men for five months lies in their tails.
Chapter 21-22: A new world order with peace on earth, after the Battle of Armageddon, in the New Jerusalem. A thousand years of peace and prosperity on earth, after Armageddon, followed by another Armageddon. A city called the New Jerusalem descends from heaven. The New Jerusalem has twelve gates, and the walls have precious stones.
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
attributed to Saint John the apostle.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Isn't revelation written by a different john, not john the apostle? While he was in exile, sent to exile by nero?
Concerning any source that is old (over a few hundred years) the meanings can be interpretated in many ways, some interpretations can seem wild and almost crazed but some can have meaning in many cultures and ages, for example when one person sees the words 'great beast' in a old prophecy or book, one person could view it in the meaning that there could be a great monster (horns, claws etc) but in modern times we could view it as a powerful nation or alliance.
The author of the Book of Revelation implicitly is identified as one of the prophets. This may help in identifying the author if an apostle would not identify himself as a prophet in this way. If so, then the possibility of identifying this John with John the son of Zebedee is eliminated.
, Dionysius of Alexandria (died 265) still did not accept the Johannine authorship of the Book of Revelation. He correctly observed that there were substantial differences between the Gospel of John and the letters, on the one hand, and the Book of Revelation, on the other, too many, in his opinion, to allow for the attribution of Johannine authorship to the latter. The following are the differences noticed by Dionysius (as quoted by Eusebius, H.E. 7.25): [...]
Papias mentioned two Johns, one of whom was associated with the apostles (although he is also called an elder), while the other was called John the elder (although he was called a disciple of the Lord). In Eusebius' day, there were two tombs in Ephesus, both identified as John's. In Eusebius' estimation, this pointed to the conclusion that there were two men in Ephesus by the name of John, the apostle and the elder
Irenaeus, second generation from John the Apostle, maintained that John saw the Revelation late in Domitian's reign
Had John returned from Patmos at age 90+, [in 95A.D.], consider: Clement claims John went into the wilderness on horseback and chased down a former convert turned criminal, physically capturing him, and taught him once again the truth!  Could John do this at age 90+; the age he would have been if Revelation was written in 94-95? [...]
Victorinus in his citation, insists that John was working in the mines of Patmos when exiled there. How could this be the case if John was well into his nineties?  One should be very cautious then, in maintaining the strength of the external testimony in regard to the date of the Apocalypse. The testimony is at best debatable, scant and interdependent.
I'm asssuming that the quote you provided is from a modern essay on the subject, or perhaps from the Mormon additions.
King James Version: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
New American Standard Bible: "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea."
Originally posted by Infinite
Overall, i can see why some are making claims that the bible forsees a new world order. It is not really detailed enough, but this is really open to debate and you can interpret the meanings in different ways.
9 Here is the mind which has wisdom The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, [interpreted to mean the seven hills of Rome]
10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.
11 The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.
12 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.
13 These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.
"The EU today is made up of over 25 countries, however the ten nations of the Western European Alliance have a separate status as full members, while those nations who joined subsequent to the original 10 have only associate membership, or observer status."
20:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20:7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
20:9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
Originally posted by D_Emissary56
The Bible does speak of centralized power of the world, most notably in the books of Daniel (O.T.) and Revelation (N.T.). In the 13th chapter of Revelation (verses 3-7, and 16-17), it says that the 1st beast is "given power over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations". Then, the 2nd beast "causes ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to recieve a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, UNLESS they have the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name (i.e. 666)".
This would certainly seem to suggest that these leaders or tyrants or whatever have control of both the military AND financial apparatus of almost the whole world. Whether or not this is the same as the "New World Order", or "Novus Ordo Seclorum" spoken of by countless organizations, secret societies, and even by Bush 41 is pure speculation.
One of the "beasts" is further cross referenced by both Jesus and Paul the Apostle in the 24th chapter of Matthew(24:15) and 2nd Thessalonians (2:4) respectively (originally mentioned in Daniel 11:36).
[edit on 19-2-2005 by D_Emissary56]
Originally posted by LogoWatch
However, as mentioned above Beast 7 and 8 will have control over the entire world. It won't be possible in this day and age for one country to take over the world and have that type of control, so it'll have to be done through some sort of unity between all nations - i.e. the NWO.
I don't think the term government existed back in the days the Bible was written, so you'll never see reference to anything like that.
Originally posted by infinite
Originally posted by LogoWatch
However, as mentioned above Beast 7 and 8 will have control over the entire world. p
I don't see why that would be beyond their understanding. As far as they knew, the world was rome, barbaric germany, parthia, and india, and alexander showed that persia and india could be ruled over, more or less.
That is an interesting question infact, if they could even conceive of a world ruled by one government.
Originally posted by LogoWatch
However, as mentioned above Beast 7 and 8 will have control over the entire world.
Originally posted by jfdarby
The Beast is said to be a computer Which is big enough to hold ALL the records of everyone on earth, The mark of the beast is thought to be a chip that is put in your forhead or on the back of your right hand.. and the Beast will follow you all around and any busness you do will be through the chip and will go through the Beast for a record on You. Without the chip, You will not be able to buy or sale, For all trading will have to go through the Beast..
I remember back after the UN was put in, that they cut the world up into 10 peces so that they could goveren when they would lead the earth under one goverment./// ( but that will be done out of Rpme) and they will all sever the Beast.. at this time the world would be goning under one leader ( the Beast) for a short time " 7 Years". These 7 years will be the Years of Tribulation. 3 and 1/2 of n
thats is an interesting theory you have constructed here, but the book of revelation can have many meanings to it.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
True, but at the time the book of Revelation was written, the "whole world" consisted of the Roman Empire, the middle Orient, and northern Africa.
Many, including myself, have came to the conclusion that the book isn't really prophetical at all, but simply an allegory on the current affairs of John's era, with the beast being the Roman Empire, or, more personally, Nero himself.
Originally posted by zakattack
Well yes the unity will be of all nations, soon the world will view religion as the enemy and the united nations will seek to ban religion world wide, in the bible it says that "I" meaning god will put it into the there minds like a hook in there jaw to turn on my people, meaning to lead them to ban religion, Being the fact that the united nation has never agreed on anything this will be a huge step, In the bible it says Broad and spacious is the path leading off to destruction but narrow is the road leading to life and few are finding it. In the end United Nations and there great military power will fall it will not last the next major battle is not between US and Russia or US VS China but between United Nations and Religion and then All the world leaders will realize what BIG BIG BIG mistake they made to turn on religion, then god will do away with all who oppose him leaving only his Faithful Followers to inhabit the earth forever