a reply to: intrptr
I don't think many people care about your views, they simply think you are being disruptive and/or trolling. Also, freedom of speech does not mean
freedom to break T&Cs, freedom to disrupt, and freedom to troll on a privately owned internet forum - although whether that has actually taken place
is not for me to decide, it's for the mods to decide.
This thread was about "France, Germany Expected to Announce Next Gen Fighter Program Later This Month". You diverted it with:
- Mentioning Wunderwaffe, an empire, flattops, walls, and ABM systems.
- Brexit, Russian chemical weapons attacks.
- NATO encroaching Russia.
- ABM treaties
- West attacking poor Russia every hundred years
- more ABM treaties
When questioned you're complaining about a war on freedom of speech. Is this not trolling? Unfortunately I am compelled to respond, further going
off-topic, but I would rather the mods nuke (heh..) it all. Its like the ABM treaty. US breaks the ABM treaty, Russia is forced to act. You disrupt
the discussion to push an agenda, I am compelled to act. After all "for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction". I believe that's line
the Russian government likes to use.
Feel free to report me for implying that you're a liar. Also you say that people here lie all the time, no?
Also first-strike usually refers to the ability of neutralize the adversaries arsenal by striking first. The ABM systems as fielded are completely
useless for helping that. At most, you could argue that it allows NATO to conduct a limited nuclear strike and then be able to shoot down some forms
of limited (tit-for-tat) Russian retaliation in the theater, thereby gaining an advantage in the highly speculative notion of a "limited" nuclear war.
That's the real unfair advantage that ABM could bring and is different from threatening MAD. Even then the ABM systems aren't particularly effective
against many or even most kinds of the Russian arsenal.
So this doesn't give the US a humongous advantage or threaten MAD.
The US also withdrew from the treaty before it deployed treaty defying systems. But yes, an advantage is an advantage, I would rather the US have
stayed within the treaty when it came to Russia (I am a very "Jon Snow" kind of guy - you make an agreement, you follow it).
who call anyone that questions US foreign policy 'commies'..
There's a difference between criticizing the US for bad policy such as invading Iraq. And saying that NATO is provoking Russia for accepting Poland.
There's also a difference between saying that NATO members shouldn't help overthrow dictatorships and NATO members shouldn't develop more advanced
fighters. NATO does all sorts of things, for all sorts of reasons.
There's all different kinds of war-hawks in the US government with all different agendas. Neoconservatives for example. The "US foreign policy" is
different things depending on who is in charge. Sometimes NATO militaries get "hijacked" (at least in my opinion) when the nutjobs get voted into
office in the US. All the more reason to want a more "European" NATO (or a strong EU-military) which is one reason why I keep defending European
defense initiatives like this one.
Also the Russian government are top-heavy and could be described as fascist. Or nationalist. Not commies. It's why I despise them (along with the
current US administration) so much.
Also given the tactics and prevalence of Russian trolls (or influencers of any kind for that matter) it becomes difficult to tell who is a troll and
who is actually trying to have a genuine discussion. You're not acting like you want a genuine discussion, many/most of your points are either
incorrect or are identical to the position of either the Russian government/state media/trolls. I think I've outlined many of those. Hence accusations
I think the idea that you're putting forth is really that anyone who disagrees with the Russian government or defends NATO in any way, thinks that
"anyone that questions US foreign policy (are) 'commies'..", which isn't true at all.
edit on 8/4/18 by C0bzz because: (no reason