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Mexican Senate Threatens to Stop Helping U.S. Against Drug Cartels

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posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 06:18 PM
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Mexico is a FAILED STATE. Libya was better governed than Mexico and look what we did to it. Syria was better governed than Mexico and look what we did to it. Hell, even Iraq was better governed as far as the general peace and security and standard of living of the average Iraqi.


Without the crutch of America to prop it up Mexico will fall and fall hard in a year. They will be the next Venezuela times 10.


We owe NOTHING to Mexico. They have only been a leech on American prosperity and security. If people who claim to be against meddling in other countries are serious then they cannot at the same time recommend we continue propping up Mexico by allowing them to abuse our generosity and open border.

This must end now and Trump is the man to do it.


MAGA




posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

but its not non binding on public opinion and perception.

wars are not only fought with guns and policy....they are fought in minds and hearts as well.


This empty display of adolescent posturing just makes them look even more pathetic than before and i hope the Mexican citizens let them know.


A revolution style uprising is not out of the question if Trump decides to put the screws to the discredited criminal government there.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Mexico has been releasing drug addicts and prisoners and directing them to the US. They call that helping? I hope they stop "helping" us immediately!


And we have been supplying their drug cartels with good weaponry and training. We call that helpful?



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:00 PM
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Well, the cartels are getting desperate now with a lot of the marijuana being legally grown in and distributed in good ol' California these days. There are going to be a lot more problems in Mexico when the money really starts drying up.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: tribal
We owe NOTHING to Mexico. They have only been a leech on American prosperity and security. If people who claim to be against meddling in other countries are serious then they cannot at the same time recommend we continue propping up Mexico by allowing them to abuse our generosity and open border.

This must end now and Trump is the man to do it.
MAGA


Apparently you are very wrong

ticdata.treasury.gov...

So it looks like the US owes Mexico about 33.9 billion dollars as of January 2018.

I don't know why you get so upset with countries dealing with each other, isn't this one of the principles of capitalism? Why are you so mad? I checked and Mexico owes $0 dollars to the US, i can't find more info because it seems like it's impossible to find anything related to debt between US/Mexico and i got bored and i don't care that much

Now how is this not something you all in the US know is beyond me, i have to say that it was hard info to find, everyone seems to not want to talk about it, pride?

I find it ridiculous as i said before. All that 'Aid' is supposed to mitigate issues caused by meddling at the same time that the debt is completely ignored?

I don't know what this is about but in the end is not my problem, i just find this game or whatever it is a completely retarded and absurd thing, right from the beginning



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: tribal
a reply to: WarriorMH

if you really believe that (and i do too btw) then you should be full on for Trump because he has an established history in his private life of calling on the US gov to end its interventionist policies, promising he would do this if he was ever president, and now that he IS president this is exactly what he is doing, look at Syria.


the fact is meddling with other countries is what EVERY SINGLE world power has ALWAYS done. Read your history. Alexander the Great, the Roman empire....., the Turkish empire, Spain, Portugal, England, the Dutch....and later America. See a pattern? I know i do. This is the way things were ALWAYS done, and still are, only now we often use more subtle methods but if you look at what Obama and Clinton did to Libya and later Syria its very clear that taking over other nations is still quite en vogue.

If you want the US out of other countries you have no other choice than to support Trump. He wants us out of those entanglements and he is the ONLY one who both wants that AND has the power to make it happen.

I noticed Tulsi Gabbard, who caught alot of flack for going to Syria and being loud and proud about wanting us out of there didnt give any credit so far to Trump (at least not that ive seen) for his decision to de escalate in Syria and ultimately to get out completely. This would have NEVER happened under any other Admin....guaranteed.




Trump did say that, I know, but i'm not sure, from where i stand i can see he says one thing and then the US government says different, i don't think the government as it is right now is fully functional, he said the US is going out of Syria and then the other guys say "not so fast, we may not go out, we're asking around so we'll see later on"

That's not exactly what i would call fulfilling a promise, it's just another 'let's see how we can deal with this' and next thing you know things keep going the same way. The chance for it to really happen are slim
edit on 5-4-2018 by WarriorMH because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: WarriorMH

investments in American capital are not debts.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: tribal
a reply to: WarriorMH

investments in American capital are not debts.


Really? Lending money to someone else, through any instrument, is not debt? What it is then? How is that money going to be paid back, does it have any interest paid?


United States Treasuries history compared to the Federal Funds Rate A United States Treasury security is an IOU from the US Government. It is a government debt instrument issued by the United States Department of the Treasury to finance government spending as an alternative to taxation. Treasury securities are often referred to simply as Treasuries


en.wikipedia.org...

I don't get your line of thinking, maybe i'm dumb and don't understand the US processes but i know that if you lend money, through any means, and you haven't been paid back, that's considered 'debt'. I'm i wrong?



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: tribal
We owe NOTHING to Mexico. They have only been a leech on American prosperity and security. If people who claim to be against meddling in other countries are serious then they cannot at the same time recommend we continue propping up Mexico by allowing them to abuse our generosity and open border.

This must end now and Trump is the man to do it.
MAGA


Apparently you are very wrong

ticdata.treasury.gov...

So it looks like the US owes Mexico about 33.9 billion dollars as of January 2018.

I don't know why you get so upset with countries dealing with each other, isn't this one of the principles of capitalism? Why are you so mad? I checked and Mexico owes $0 dollars to the US, i can't find more info because it seems like it's impossible to find anything related to debt between US/Mexico and i got bored and i don't care that much

Now how is this not something you all in the US know is beyond me, i have to say that it was hard info to find, everyone seems to not want to talk about it, pride?

I find it ridiculous as i said before. All that 'Aid' is supposed to mitigate issues caused by meddling at the same time that the debt is completely ignored?

I don't know what this is about but in the end is not my problem, i just find this game or whatever it is a completely retarded and absurd thing, right from the beginning




Good, there's the Wall money.




posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:10 PM
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Are they trying to get on Trump's naughty list?

If they're going to aid illegal aliens and drug traffickers, we should re-evaluate our friendly demeanor toward our neighbor to the South.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:12 PM
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Israeli's and Palestinians ....USA and Mexico.... future similarities ?



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: Plotus

I certainly hope not

Mexico also has an interest in sovereign borders and tight security.

The vast majority of violence against the Mexican government & Police comes from drug dealers and other violent criminals. No doubt some of this violence is carried out by those fleeing socialist-torn Venezuela



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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Our lame responses to the illegal problem has gone on for decades, don't expect a quick resolution. Tensions between Mexico and the United States will only worsen. We have put it off for far too long and this is the result. An emboldened criminal element. One that touches almost every life in that country in some way.

Once bullets are fired at our Troops, all bets are off. And when the money then dries up, their collapse is eminent. and we will truly need that wall. The Mexican Senate...? won't be...



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Plotus

Its economic.

Mexico had a fantastic economy in the 50's. Oil based.

The 70s ruined them. Then we seized control in the 80s with the petrodollar

Mexico has inadequate diversity. Labor is too expensive to displace china. And they are left to the whims of our oil market for breadcrumbs that are then pilfered through corruption.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Classic... I say cut of ALL foreign aid and immigration for two years. EO that #. Why not? 100's of Billions. Why are we building infrastructure in other countries when ours is crumbling????



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 10:23 PM
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Furthermore, what we need to prepare for and why the wall is a good start is that pot sales in the US are going to local states in a majority now. Cartels are losing billions. More states are to follow and that was bread and butter for years. Easy way to move other things like hard drugs and weapons.

This way they need to push even harder drugs like coke, herion and designer drugs and that is bad. Never met someone high who got in a fight or crashed a car. Usually they want some tacos and even offer to pay if you drive.



posted on Apr, 6 2018 @ 04:03 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

They think we don't already suspect they've been taking the cartels money and working for them? Declare war! That place is just as criminal and destitute as the middle East and their terrorists called cartels have overrun their government and declared war on us A LONG TIME AGO!! They are a far greater danger to us than ISIS, their street gangs terrorise our children daily! Their ms13 homeboys rape our daughters daily. Bully our sons daily. Sell them drugs, daily. But I'm supposed to worry about Muslims.



posted on Apr, 6 2018 @ 04:19 AM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Lumenari

Classic... I say cut of ALL foreign aid and immigration for two years. EO that #. Why not? 100's of Billions. Why are we building infrastructure in other countries when ours is crumbling????



I would occupy the sh# outta their lands just like we do in the M.E., until we decimate the cartels and help them retake their country as part of a long term, 25year lease with renewal options, and tax the ever living crap out of them for the privilege.

These people are living under an unbelievable oppression. At least the Taliban had a rule book that you could read and try to understand. The cartels might kill a house full of people just to make a point, just for psychological impact. Fear keeps order.

We can keep allowing the poisonous invasive species tree to grow bigger and stronger, or we can chop it at the root while we still have a chance... They already have "legit" family members infiltrated in our law enforcement agencies, military and government so, don't think this would be like tossing bombs at Isis from across the world. They are already so embedded "behind enemy lines" that they could cause massive havoc right away. So the first step should be a major crackdown on gangs in general, so we can pick up as many foot soldiers of theirs and collect as much intelligence before we openly declare war on Cartel Occupied Mexico. Obviously there would be a simultaneously timed surge of intelligence gathering efforts South of the border, during our gang crackdown up north. We also need NSA to find out who in American government is compromised.



posted on Apr, 6 2018 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft


You beat me too it, when a country has to rely on supplying coc aine to keep Wall street going, you know things are getting close to a shake up.



posted on Apr, 6 2018 @ 04:26 AM
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originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: carewemust
Mexico has been releasing drug addicts and prisoners and directing them to the US. They call that helping? I hope they stop "helping" us immediately!


And we have been supplying their drug cartels with good weaponry and training. We call that helpful?


No. Nobody called that helpful.




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