OCCULT The conjuring of Angels .

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Willtell
I have no knowledge whether the beings Dee was dealing with were angels or not, I don’t pass judgment one way or the other…. I’m a researcher and know a lot about his adventure through the study of his history.

I’m just saying maybe folks ought to not assume he was dealing with any devils.


Actually John Dee, though into what is termed the occult, was an extremely religious person. Interestingly, the medieval occultist; many of them were very very religious and would invoke the name of God often when doing their occult rituals. They would NEVER think of calling on devils or demons.

Dee was a person who believed in what they termed then, Natural philosophy. WHich included God and religion.

I can understand that. I just don't think I, me personally, would take that chance.

I wouldn’t do it either, get a crystal ball and try to talk to angels.

I think the heart is better

Im the typical doubting thomas.

Unless jesus, god, goddess whatever it is stands in front of me and provides a miracle thst i can witness. Religion is not for me.

As for angels, i hear you simply talk to them in your normal lamguage once yoir archangel gas revealed itself to you

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: TheJesuit

Angels cannot be conjured. They only follow God's orders. You can conjure demons though, because they did not follow God's orders. My advice. Don't do it. We already have enough of them unleashed upon this earth.

why oh why are there no angels manifesting themselves on earth...but demons galore apparently?

a reply to: TheJesuit

They told him lies and mislead him and his friend, they were clearly fallen with the same agenda they are working on now.

a reply to: TheJesuit

You want a breadcrumb trail or shall I give you the whole thing straight up?

Straight up, shine a light down this rabbit hole! although after looking it is pretty dark ..........


!a reply to: LightAssassin

if you read about the messages they got
you'll realize they weren't conjuring angels
a demon could easily pose as an angel

There are things better left alone.

I highly recommend to not read anything about conjuring whatever entities. Each of those books comes with specific instructions on how to read them, and they are not included with the book.
And you do not need to read aloud to conjure, just by passing your sight over the text is enough. The soul understand any language and symbol.

Visit the Occult Reddit page.

www.reddit.com...

Also, they just did an AMA with Jason Louv who has a new book coming out titled "John Dee and the Empire of Angels: Enochian Magick and the Occult Roots of the Modern World". This AMA contains a lot of great information.

www.reddit.com...

[sorry, not big poster on this site, I hope that the link works...]

originally posted by: TheJesuit
So im reading a few books on a Dr John Dee who supposedly conversed with Angels back in the day and apparently was partly responsable for England's expansion.
Has ANYONE tried, or read or is familiar with this specific subject?? The angelic language takes a long time to understand BUT very very very very powerful......

Angels - what would you like to know?
Are they real - Yes
Enochian - that is not the toungue of Angels.Most are multilingual. They also use telepathy and are part of a Universal Concious but that is mainly used amongst themselves. They have tried to teach humanity telepathy but it didn't work out. Let me know and I can provide you a case study wrote by the Angel Samael on his findings when he tried to teach The HIgh Priests of a old civilisation Telepathy
Scrying is dangerous even for the more experienced of Occultist - Im sure there are people here that can back me up on this
The wife swapping incident when Dee told kelly that Angels told him that they should swap wifes for the night did not come from Angels = see above the dangers of scrying
A very strong case can be made that Dee and Kelly were not in conversation with Angels but with something else.
Not just the language Angelic belief and culture also take a long time to understand
Just saying

not for the faint hearted is the path least trodden.
summoning the unseen should only be undertaken after
serious contemplation and inward reasoning.
dwellers at the threshold await all to interrogate
and find weakness which, once revealed can become
a devils noose. clunk-click people!

a reply to: TheJesuit

I found something a long time ago, either one of the most elaborate, time swallowing (for those attempting this back in the late 80's) hoax's ever to never have any impact on anyone, ever......or this is something greater and more special and what it says it is.......or just noise being channeled.

Nevertheless an incredible, if lengthy (definitely lengthy), read.

The Pheonix Journals. www.fourwinds10.com...

If you see the magnitude of what was done here, you should also be as puzzled as to why anyone would go to these lengths to put this content down (average of 200 page per journal, 115 journals in total, 1.5GB) as I am.

I give this to you because these people were supposedly channeling Angels. Now what you come across during is that sometimes the source of the material becomes corrupted. Whether this validates any of the other material is of course considered. But the nuggets of info found.....holy moley. This led me down the deepest rabbit hole I have ever been down.

Angels are the hidden, untapped powers we all have but are veiled from us.

Angels are a part of our inner nature we can’t access unless we do the path of men like Jesus and Buddha, and if you’re successful (and it’s rare in this world) you’ll have access to your angels.

Of course, there is an external component to angels but I wouldn’t be calling on them. They might not be as friendly as you think.

In any case, John Dee did not do too well in his later years... At first, he was very successful, became very close to Queen Elizabeth---her astrologer and actually was a spy for England with the code name 007.


But in his later years after the Queen died and the next King didn’t sponsor him he went downhill. He ended up broke and alone

Supposedly, the angels consoled him and told him to chill out because you did much good.


He would often ask the angels for some treasure he could find. They rebuked him for that. This is some of the history. His story, John Dee.

originally posted by: LightAssassin
a reply to: TheJesuit

I found something a long time ago, either one of the most elaborate, time swallowing (for those attempting this back in the late 80's) hoax's ever to never have any impact on anyone, ever......or this is something greater and more special and what it says it is.......or just noise being channeled.

Nevertheless an incredible, if lengthy (definitely lengthy), read.

The Pheonix Journals. www.fourwinds10.com...

If you see the magnitude of what was done here, you should also be as puzzled as to why anyone would go to these lengths to put this content down (average of 200 page per journal, 115 journals in total, 1.5GB) as I am.

I give this to you because these people were supposedly channeling Angels. Now what you come across during is that sometimes the source of the material becomes corrupted. Whether this validates any of the other material is of course considered. But the nuggets of info found.....holy moley. This led me down the deepest rabbit hole I have ever been down.

Thanks for sharing!!!!!

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Has ANYONE tried, or read or is familiar with this specific subject?? The angelic language takes a long time to understand BUT very very very very powerful......

If God wants you to converse with angels then He will set up a NDE that tells the angels things that you know facts that only they know. Then God will order one of them to contact you after you post the NDE on the internet.

Try learning Latin. Then it is possible to have face-2-face arguments with giants (Rephaim) in real-time whilst they are in ethereal form. Their wavelength is slightly below infra-red.

God will bypass all humans that have ego problems and plan on gaining pride after conversing with His angels.

If you're talking Old Testament angels, it's better not to have anything to do with them, because they nearly always show up with there is lot of turmoil and bad things happening. New Testament angels, however, are pretty much all time travelers.

originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Has ANYONE tried, or read or is familiar with this specific subject?? The angelic language takes a long time to understand BUT very very very very powerful......

If God wants you to converse with angels then He will set up a NDE

A near death experience to talk with Angels what the hell are you talking about. Our Creator would never allow that.
Angels, are free to converse with any Human as is the person . They do not need God's permission for that. The Angels that deal with the Light or the soul of a person who meet the person having a NDE are rather specialised - but thats a subject matter for another day
The problem is Angels view of Humanity...Ill leave that for a thread on its own..They aren't great at getting back to folk but to be honest they are actually up to their eyes with their dayjobs -

Empathetic Connection in the digital age - its something we are working on

www.youtube.com...

Watch this space communication will get better

originally posted by: DpatC
A near death experience to talk with Angels what the hell are you talking about. Our Creator would never allow that.
Angels, are free to converse with any Human as is the person . They do not need God's permission for that.

Well that scenario that i mentioned happened to me.

NDE > Posted > God told a watcher to contact me and verify a few things concerning the vision.

originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: DpatC
A near death experience to talk with Angels what the hell are you talking about. Our Creator would never allow that.
Angels, are free to converse with any Human as is the person . They do not need God's permission for that.

Well that scenario that i mentioned happened to me.

NDE > Posted > God told a watcher to contact me and verify a few things concerning the vision.

That sounds interesting - would you care to elaborate more on your experience? Did the watcher (Angel) give you a name. As a said it's a very specialised team that work on transitions from one type of existance to another.
How did you find the overall experience?

originally posted by: DpatC
That sounds interesting - would you care to elaborate more on your experience? Did the watcher (Angel) give you a name. As a said it's a very specialised team that work on transitions from one type of existance to another.
How did you find the overall experience?

Oct 2005, i was in hospital for a brain operation. When the experience started, i naturally assumed that i had died in the operation room and gone to hell.

The watchers' name is Shymhz (shem + ya'ah + aza).

Shymhz told me that the vision was not Revelation 16:10 in the presence of demons, but very similar to the angel prison Tartarus.

The overall experience was horrifying.

The odd thing is, the vision has turned out to be a summary of my life since July 1996. Thankfully i am at the end of the vision now.

i guess some transitions can be nightmares and need visions to get a person through them.