Since the tax cuts passed, the markets are down overall

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Trump admin just employed one of our last tools to lessen the brunt of an economic downturn.

Which tool was that? The private sector tax cuts, or the Fed raising the Fed Funds rate (barely at all)?

www.cnbc.com...

Stocks make a monster comeback, Dow rallies more than 700 points from lows of the day

Interesting

here's my follow up as news get published...

SOURCE: Investors pulled a 'remarkable' $40 billion from U.S. stocks since mid-March
Dion Rabouin Financial Markets Reporter,Yahoo Finance•April 4, 2018

.... Investors pulled a “remarkable” $40 billion from U.S. equity market funds in the closing weeks of March, a new survey from the Institute of International Finance found.
The organization, which works with banks and financial institutions around the globe, said trade tensions, increased deficit spending by the United States and higher U.S. interest rates from the Federal Reserve may all have been factors in a swing in sentiment that caused investors to pull funds out of the market.

to my reasoning... it was not individual 'investors' that sold some $40 Billion in equities and walked-away...
Instead it was the Fund managers/ Financial institutions who did 98% of the turnover...
...and i bet a dollar-to-a-doughnut that the professional investors were front men for secret buyers/sellers like the TBTF Banks & or the Federal Reserve balance sheet manipulators

... think about it !
the Fed already announced they will be doing a reverse Quantative Easing and redeeming some $30 Billion per month of their off-ledger balance sheet holdings !!
~could those holdings mean Facebook and other tech. stocks that they brought up in price to 'bubble' valuations ??? ~

i think we are witnessing the intentional, orchestrated bubble being burst by the Banks/Fed Reserve... so that Joe 6-pack who gets $1000. in tax breaks might either buy stocks on the 'Dip' or else just buy something to keep the consumer spending economy going....


... think about it !

OP, the tax cuts were already built into the market.
Your thread suggests you don't know much about markets, even confusing GDP growth with stock market performance.

originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: whywhynot
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Since my last birthday the market Is down dramatically, I think people are just upset that I’m another year older.

This actually makes more sense at this point

I also switched from imported to domestic beer about that time too.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

NEWSFLASH- the market (DJ) is up by almost 300 points today. Don't like the market... wait a day and look again...lol.

The tax cuts were completely unecessary, and now that they've made their extra billions it's back to business as usual for the corporations. Most workers get no benefit from their companies tax cuts, I know I don't. It does add to the debt though, and give republicans a big excuse to cut benefits and social safety nets for middle class and poor people.

originally posted by: St Udio

...Which results in an added $13.40 in Dividends per yr. compounded along with any Stock Price appreciation

I know that a Utility is a timid move and a move called a Flight Towards Safety as the television market pundits say
but, the DOW/S&P/RUSSEL all may be down but thats' my Buying OpportunitY

And you think spending trillions for an additional $13.40 per year is a good thing?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: pavil
And this has what to do with my thread?

"People like more money! News at 11!"

Furthermore, I remember during the Obama years that it was the height of irresponsibility of liberal voters to vote themselves more money. Here, Republicans do the same and none of you even blink. They even do it with deficit spending, just like liberals, and nothing.

You're not going to get a good response from most people, they're so far gone, particularly on this board. Several of the people in this thread, by just page 2 were literally cheering people being shot and possibly killed the other day because they worked for Youtube which is for having a gun free workplace.

Looking at that chart all I see is a rather normal correction, the thing was almost vertical before it corrected, it obviously couldn't maintain such an upward trend. Also the recent scandals with Facebook has caused its stock value to drop quite a bit, there are several things happening right now which are causing the market to drop, however it will bounce back before long I assure you. The only people who would actually try to argue these tax cuts are bad for the economy are people who have no real understanding of how the market works.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

No. No.

Also no, and finally, no.

The correct answer is Trump.....clearly.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


The market actually wants to crash why wouldn't it, but they cant afford to have another 1929, so the fed and central banks comes back in and props it all up with massive bond and share buying. They can do this indefinitely, or until they think its time to stop. Simply put if theirs a crash bang go the pensions of most Americans, the last time a real depression hit America was headed for a revolution, they wont let it get that bad again unless they really are stupid.

a reply to: anonentity

Actually if it weren't for Trump's fiscal shenanigans, the fed was getting ready to raise interest rates as the country has returned to pre-2008 crash levels. Now we have this inviolability. I'm not so sure that would be a good idea now...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hillary Clinton actually had very detailed and comprehensive policy proposals but no one wanted to talk about them and instead wanted to attack her character instead. Love her or hate her, this fact is incontrovertible.

Could you please enlighten everybody on exactly what her policy proposals were? And to make it really challenging for you, pick one that would have been good for this country.
Oh, there weren't any?
What about stopping the spread of the Zika virus, remember that one?
I guess that was important...
Or claiming (falsely) that Donald Trump didn't like immigrants, forgetting to throw in the whole "illegal" part?
The truth is, rather than making broad stroked generalizations on how she was going to fix everything, she had an extremely weak platform with no real, concrete answers to the problems facing this country.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


Its all to confusing, I mean does the share market reflect the real economy? nope. Their are even what are called Unicorns , which are listed companies that only exist as a share concept. Its gambling, and we know its only the house that really cant loose. It is now politicized which means it has nothing to do with real market forces. Trump knows casinos so what is the houses edge on something as big as Wall street worth.?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Its all to confusing, I mean does the share market reflect the real economy? nope. Their are even what are called Unicorns , which are listed companies that only exist as a share concept. Its gambling, and we know its only the house that really cant loose. It is now politicized which means it has nothing to do with real market forces. Trump knows casinos so what is the houses edge on something as big as Wall street worth.?

Unicorns are startups that are valued at over 1 billion. I think it's something of a misnomer myself as startup implies the company isn't yet established, but $1 billion in market value implies that it is.

originally posted by: Allenb83
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hillary Clinton actually had very detailed and comprehensive policy proposals but no one wanted to talk about them and instead wanted to attack her character instead. Love her or hate her, this fact is incontrovertible.

Could you please enlighten everybody on exactly what her policy proposals were? And to make it really challenging for you, pick one that would have been good for this country.
Oh, there weren't any?
What about stopping the spread of the Zika virus, remember that one?
I guess that was important...
Or claiming (falsely) that Donald Trump didn't like immigrants, forgetting to throw in the whole "illegal" part?
The truth is, rather than making broad stroked generalizations on how she was going to fix everything, she had an extremely weak platform with no real, concrete answers to the problems facing this country.

Instead of assuming a bunch of nonsense how about looking it up? It's still on her webpage. Deny some ignorance for a change instead of spewing ignorant talking points.
Hillary Clinton policies

ETA: Also, keep in mind that I'm not saying you have to like her policies, agree with them, like her, or want to vote for her. I'm just saying they existed and were comprehensive. Which is undeniable. She was actually known as kind of a political policy nerd. Though later in the campaign she abandoned the idea of advancing policy and stooped to Trump's level of combativeness and fluff campaigns.

The left propoganda talking points are strong with this thread. Please keep your heads buried in the sand and praying for your “blue wave”.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

This wasn't all that surprising. She ran on a campaign of fringe social issues. Autism, campus sexual assault, HIV and AIDS, protecting animals and wildlife, an end to alzheimers. Do you know what these all have in common? They can never be solved. These are programs that if Hillary won, she would have stood to gain billions of dollars from by propagating weak and ineffective solutions for. She uses words like "empowerment" and "taking on the drug epidemic once and for all" with broad stroked generalizations and no real solutions except for throwing money at a problem that will go on forever. Just like how war was never meant to be won, just sustained. We have spent as a country over the years, for example, trillions of dollars on the war on poverty. Yet the numbers of families and children in poverty are still the same as they were in 1913. No new deal era policy could change that, and nothing Hillary would propose would suddenly and miraculously change it either. I encourage everyone to read her campaign goals on her website. If they did, they would be counting their blessings that she didn't become president. She was just a crook out for her own purse strings.

The fact this thread premise was even conjured up in your mind (more likely some news outlet you co-opted) is sad. What a poor understanding of 'economics' you believe you have.

Come at me, bro.