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Home owner aged 78 arrested under suspicion of murder stabbing intruder UK

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posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy


Interestingly, if you are accused of a crime in the UK and do not qualify for Legal Aid and pay for your own legal team and get found not guilty, the State usually has to pay your legal costs.

But, the State will only pay your legal costs at Legal Aid rates, which are way lower than it will cost you, as what Legal Aid lawyers get paid (in the vast majority of cases) is peanuts. of course, you only get to read about fat cat QC's fees in major high profile trials which is far from the norm.

So, you are wrongly accused of a crime by the State, are found not guilty, and end up hugely out of pocket and will probably lose your house.




posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

I knew there had been changes in the legal aid system, but what a scam only paying out at legal aid rates!
I've had a legal aid funded solicitor everytime I've been in court, decent local guy I've always used. Last time was caught driving 103mph on a 60mph dual-carriageway, saved me from a ban, just 6 points and a £200 fine, result.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:06 AM
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This isn't about Us vs Them....



So let's stay on topic and Go After the Ball, Not the Player!

You are responsible for your own posts.....those who ignore that responsibility will face mod actions.


and, as always:

Do NOT reply to this post!!



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy


That was a result. But you are a very naughty boy.

People only generally find out about this when it happens to them. It is a scandal.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

Ah I've been a good boy for years now, well just not caught for anything lol.
You are right though, the Legal Aid cuts are a scandal, for people who can't afford 'private' it can ruin them.
Isn't it still the same that if conviction could result in a custodial then most people still qualify for it?
Just musing because if I thought the maximum lame fine would be cheaper than having to fund a lawyer I'd just represent myself and take the lame fine.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: Lagomorphe

Ill tell you, if you guys provide victim counseling for people who went through what this guy went through, that is solid grade A.

I think we forget that being forced to take a human life is hugely traumatic life event, at least in America.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Lagomorphe

Ill tell you, if you guys provide victim counseling for people who went through what this guy went through, that is solid grade A.

I think we forget that being forced to take a human life is hugely traumatic life event, at least in America.


Rest assured BFFT that this gentleman and his wife will recieve the best XXX Grade A care and counselling that can be provided.

Kindest respects

Lags



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: Lagomorphe

Agreed, they do fantastic work and will be on the case right now I'd say.
There's the fear element for the couple now as well, not feeling safe in their own home after such trauma.
I felt it when I was burgled years ago, had to move house, was worried there would be some revenge for the burglar I stabbed who lived. I can't imagine how I would have felt if I'd killed him.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy


Here you go:

Criminal Legal Aid Eligibility

Be good, and if you can't be good - be lucky!



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: Lagomorphe

Well it's even more distinct than a cultural difference, that almost implies that its country wide. Here in America you have big differences regionally,socially,economically and yes even ethnicity. It's one system that governs 280 million diverse as hell people. Not to mention it's a system of law born out of the will of people, LOL at least initially, and not the protection of the Crown,which yes now is just in name only but it's roots are deeper. As I think some here have alluded too.


PS.

I like your signature I still don't understand why Japanese kamikaze pilots wore helmets,want to talk about cultural differences. I was reading recently about a kamikaze pilot who kept on returning from his missions in the Pacific without crashing into something,after his 7th return he was executed.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Lagomorphe

Wife suffers dementia...and didnt have primary support there for 2 days.

Glad hes finally out.


Again not a excuse not to follow through with due process.

Harsh I know but still remains true.

I know from dealing with cases where a venerable person with dementia is going to be left with out a carer for any period of time due to social/health or other reasons that local councils have a obligation to ensure support is provided the police would have to work with social workers if no family could step in to provide support.

The UK system really is not as bad as you are making it out to be.

He will probably even be eligible for criminal injuries compensation....
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posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 12:26 PM
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It's good to see the country is behind this old fella' and that he has now been released on bail. I personally can't see any charges being brought against him for what is obviously self-defence. There where 2 burglars, they ran and the second poor excuse for a human left his partner to die in the street.

I'm glad that some friendlier British members have explained and given links to how things like arrest and bail works here in Great Britain and how different it is to how America does things. Maybe American members can understand why us British members have so many questions when something like this makes the news here across the pond and we come looking for details and answers. Sometimes our two countries do things so different and hold certain things in high regard the other sees it as almost alien.
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posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Just call Saul baby!!!!

(Breaking Bad lawyer just in case someone didn't know)



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

I love this old dude, double fisting a Guiness! Will deffo contribute to his defense fund if required.

uk.yahoo.com...



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: Kurokage

It's good to see the country is behind this old fella' and that he has now been released on bail. I personally can't see any charges being brought against him for what is obviously self-defence. There where 2 burglars, they ran and the second poor excuse for a human left his partner to die in the street.


Common sense has prevailed I feel. If someone enter's your home by force, what are you meant to do? Stand and instruct them where your most personal valuables are?
He acted in self-defense, like any of us would. It is unfortunate that someone got killed, but they must have known the risk when they crossed the threshold of someone else's property, that they could get caught.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

Hold my beers.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Well...due process can be changed and made more reasonable. Although that may seem reasonable to ya'll...and i wish you well with it...it ain't for me.

 


Something I was pondering in relation to some of the discussion here: Charles Atlas.

What if someone were to start lifting weights, bulking up, but not taking martial arts or boxing classes. Just getting bigger and stronger, but frequently made mention that they were tired of being picked on as the reason behind them giving themselves "guns" (my euphemism, not theirs).

Somewhere down the road they are assaulted by someone, and they end up delivering a crushing punch/grapple/etc that causes the persons death. Would their comments regarding the reason for gaining said strength play into their eventual potential incarceration?



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: slider1982

I will never agree with the way these matters are handled in the UK. Certain actions have deadly consequences. Thats life.

To blame the victim of a crime for doing what millions of years of evolution guides us to do is wrong.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: tadaman





I will never agree with the way these matters are handled in the UK. Certain actions have deadly consequences.
Thats life.
To blame the victim of a crime for doing what millions of years of evolution guides us to do is wrong.


Who's blaming him?



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Seems, to me anyway, that it would be. Now should it be? That's another question.


One could say that that hypothetical "Charles Atlas" was laying for the opportunity to hurt someone...




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