Trump: We Will Guard Our Border With Our Military

a reply to: xuenchen

Yea right, like the country is under serious and imminent threat of invasion by a well armed hostile enemy military force.

What a great display of peaceful intent by a peace loving country.

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: xuenchen

Yea right, like the country is under serious and imminent threat of invasion by a well armed hostile enemy military force.

What a great display of peaceful intent by a peace loving country.

What a great display of being a peaceful nation and friend to the US when Mexico turns the other way while they assist thousands of illegals to pass thru their country to reach ours.

This has been an issue for years and Mexico doesnt seem all that concerned to enforce their own immigration laws, let alone respect ours.

a reply to: eNumbra
There's a difference between deploying the military against our own people and deploying them against foreign invaders because that's what it amounts to.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: soberbacchus

Did you miss the word "domestic?" There is a law suit from the American Immigration Council about exactly this... www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org...

What do now?

First off, let's clarify what you said.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Immigration and customs enforcement isn't considered domestic law enforcement. *Maybe* prior to the Patriot Act it could have been argued as such, but Homeland Security's formation changed all of that.

A) They are exactly considered "Law Enforcement".
B) All US Law Enforcement is Domestic by definition. It is why we are forced to extradite people we wish to prosecute from other countries. United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) does not have Law Enforcement Authority in other countries.
C) What exactly do you think that link you provided is articulating?

As for your assertion that the Department of Homeland Security, which the CBP reports to, is an international agency, this is also false. They partner in information sharing with allies and provide support and training when asked etc., but have no authority or mission in law enforcement beyond US Borders. Similar to the FBI who will assist foreign investigations at an allies request, but have no law enforcement authority abroad.

In short "Immigration and customs enforcement" is EXACTLY considered "Domestic Law Enforcement".

It is not an "International" law enforcement agency.
It is certainly not a "foreign" law enforcement agency.
It is 100% a "Domestic" law enforcement agency.

That is not a political statement, that is a factual statement, like the earth not being flat.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: eNumbra
There's a difference between deploying the military against our own people and deploying them against foreign invaders because that's what it amounts to.

Courts, on the other hand, take a much more narrow view of the term "invasion," usually referring to Madison's Federalist No. 43.

See, e.g., Padavan v. United States, 82 F.3d 23 [2d Cir. 1996] (rejecting claim by New York for federal reimbursement for costs of illegal immigration: "In order for a state to be afforded the protections of the Invasion Clause, it must be exposed to armed hostility from another political entity, such as another state or foreign country that is intending to overthrow the state's government.");

New Jersey v. United States, 91 F.3d 463, (3d Cir. 1996)(rejecting same claim by New Jersey: Invasion Clause "offers no support whatsoever for application of the Invasion Clause to this case or for its reading of the term "invasion" to mean anything other than a military invasion.");

California v. United States, 104 F.3d 1086 (9th Cir. 1997)(rejecting same claim by California: "there are no manageable standards to ascertain whether or when an influx of illegal immigrants should be said to constitute an invasion.").

www.thesocialcontract.com...

originally posted by: face23785
The whole argument over law enforcement is moot. He doesn't have to call it a law enforcement action. He can just say it's a national security issue, something the President has sole discretion over. As has been said already, a frivolous lawsuit will be started in the hopes of tying him up until after these people make it across the border, sacrificing even more taxpayer money on pointless legal proceedings in order to protect non-citizens. But when it gets to the SCOTUS the administration will win.

It just burns them up that trump as POTUS has the AUTHORITY to determine what are "national security issues" .

originally posted by: TheLotLizard
So people actually disapprove of the military doing something useful and what they are meant for?

Isn’t that just a shocker...

I had a similar thought;

So people actually disapprove of the President doing something useful and what they are meant for?

Isn’t that just a shocker...

originally posted by: Butterfinger

originally posted by: TheLotLizard
So people actually disapprove of the military doing something useful and what they are meant for?

Isn’t that just a shocker...

I had a similar thought;

So people actually disapprove of the President doing something useful and what they are meant for?

Isn’t that just a shocker...

Both Former Presidents Obama and Bush have sent "troops to the border".

They are limited to support activities and desk jobs and everyone agreed afterwards it was largely a wasted effort and expense.

This is not useful, it is pandering to his base at taxpayer expense and US troops as props.

Every time cadet bone spurs talks about deploying our military the people should be wary of his motive.

www.afp.com...
Well well well
Would you look at that.

A caravan of Central American migrants whose trek across Mexico infuriated President Donald Trump has decided not to travel to the US border, leaders said Tuesday. "We will wrap up our work in Mexico City," said Irineo Mujica, the head of the migrant advocacy group People Without Borders (Pueblo sin Fronteras).

Seems trump has scored another win.

The Republican president vowed to send the US military to secure the border and threatened to axe the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) if Mexico did not stop the caravan.

Seems when he speaks the world actually listens.

The caravan now plans to travel to the central city of Puebla for a conference, then on to Mexico City for a series of demonstrations -- and end its journey there.

Guess they did not get what they demanded from the united states.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
Next step: have the Army Corp of Engineers build the wall as a matter of national security.

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As planned long ago.....lol.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Trump just ordered the National Guard to the Mexican Border...immediately.

He means business.

apnews.com...

a reply to: Azureblue

Yea right, like the country is under serious and imminent threat of invasion by a well armed hostile enemy military force.

What a great display of peaceful intent by a peace loving country.


It's our country and we will protect as we see fit!

a reply to: EchoesInTime

Seems he is actually concerned with border security.

Going to need a lot of water to build the wall so he's just gathering liberal tears.

a reply to: carewemust
Will probably be national guard. A lot of guys in Afghanistan were guard.

The wall was approved in 2006. Omnibus allows Trump to use funds for wall. Renegotiate NAFTA and pays for itself as well as hands 1000's shovel ready jobs for a few years. Guard will be protection maybe?

Security. Jobs. Less Immigration.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Seems trump has scored another win.

Maybe not. According to this routers article (in spanish)

Translation:

Mexican migration officials continue on Wednesday registering names and issuing permits for migrants giving them 20 days to leave Mexico, a much shorter period than that needed to reach United States border in previous years, said the organizers.

So, it isn't the first one and, conveniently left out, it is actually Mexico putting the kibosh on it.

a reply to: daskakik

They have done this for the past 10 years. Usually they wind up in Tijuana and a lot cross over into America. Before they were welcomed and now they were told to stay out. I think Trump had plenty to do with it.

a reply to: matafuchs

That article said that the Mexican gov isn't giving them enough time to make it to the US border. That has nothing to do with them being welcomed by the US so maybe Trump had something to do with it and then again maybe not.