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The Book burners are at it again

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posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee
Personally, I'd say "selective" history is a problem.

And should be corrected, added to, improved, and yes - - in some cases removed.


"selective" history is a problem, but we should remove history?

How does removing history not create "selective" history?


Then it's history that the book-burning authoritarians get to select!




I watched 1984 last nite for the first time in very many years. More real now than ever.




posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Those who erase their past risk erasing their future.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: DBCowboy

Those who erase their past risk erasing their future.


That's very true.

We constantly repeat the failures of the past because human behavior hasn't changed.

But they are damned sure to eliminate any hope for a future when they deliberately deny themselves an opportunity to learn.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee
Personally, I'd say "selective" history is a problem.

And should be corrected, added to, improved, and yes - - in some cases removed.


"selective" history is a problem, but we should remove history?

How does removing history not create "selective" history?


Then it's history that the book-burning authoritarians get to select!




I watched 1984 last nite for the first time in very many years. More real now than ever.



It's real and people are for it, they even defend it as seen in this thread!



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

We went from confederate statues, to Columbus,to George Washington, to the constitution is outdated, I would say not your not too far off the mark.



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: TheLead

The book-burners are going after the Founding Fathers.

If we don't speak up now, then who is going to say anything when they come after the Constitution and Bill of Rights?



posted on Apr, 2 2018 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
Personally, I'd say "selective" history is a problem.

And should be corrected, added to, improved, and yes - - in some cases removed.


The ancients have corrected, improved and removed many things based on their beliefs.
And you like that don't you?
I don't.
Lost history.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:20 AM
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I see a difference between books and statues:

- books are for sale, or at least in museums/libraries. They are containing and conserving knowledge, wisdom, things someone thought about. They are containers of knowledge.

- statues are monuments of rememberance. They are erected to honour specific people/events. They do not contain anything else besides "remember this!".

See? If you destroy a statue, you do not destroy knowledge, you just witness a public community which has decided to get rid of a thing which was a sign to think about a specific person who is considered "not worthy to honour anymore". You can always read about that person, and the books will tell you more.

Some examples:
* Statues of Adolf Hitler - destroyed. Still, everyone at least here around knows about him. Should the statues still stand erected?
* Statues of Lenin - mostly destroyed, see above.
* Statues and monuments of Saddam Hussein - mostly destroyed (mostly by the winners). Should the US Army be hold responsible to this? Because, you know, destroying statues.

Sometimes statues are erected for the wrong people or for the wrong causes, and when time comes, people are thinking about removing them. This does neither remove the historic event/person, nor does it remove the knowledge about them.

It just removes the hint "remember this person, we want you to honour him/her!". And sometimes it is good that it will be done with.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Annee
Personally, I'd say "selective" history is a problem.

And should be corrected, added to, improved, and yes - - in some cases removed.


The ancients have corrected, improved and removed many things based on their beliefs.
And you like that don't you?
I don't.
Lost history.


I'm not even sure what that means.

I do know American history is pretty White Washed.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: DBCowboy

eh

who needs to see the statues when you can look at pics of them on google

i heard that argument when we all talked about libraries and museums closing.



Then they will argue that those pictures are just fake news.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 01:39 AM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Someone(s) somewhere, at some point, decided that that person deserved to be remembered. Later, that remembering could take the form of being against everything that person ever stood for--so it still serves a purpose as intended, just not the original one.

Removing statues/monuments is very much like removing books/burning books...it's attempting to stop a story from being told. Whatever the story is.

I find it, the removal of statues, to be...disturbing.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 01:43 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

How is a statue, standing quietly in a park, in ones face?

That makes almost as little sense as the argument that has been roaring all over ATS for the past week plus...about guns.

Easily ignored, if that's what one wants to do.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 01:45 AM
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a reply to: Annee

Yes, it is. But rather than add to it, people want to remove it. That doesn't make sense to me.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 02:18 AM
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posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 02:48 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I wonder how many who might think that the destruction of those ancient carvings isn't that big a deal since there are, after all, pictures on the internet, would be up in arms if Mt. Rushmore was destroyed?



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 03:23 AM
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posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I did not see the video, but I kind of get it from the comment of seagull:

The destruction of a historical site is not the same as the removing of a statue.

First, there might be no other historical source from that time telling us what or when or why this was built. So it is the only remaining part containing all available knowledge about it itself.
Second, as I said, if the public opinion is to remove a statue/monument, no one should bat an eye. In the case you mentioned (by posting a video without any personal opinion, why do I even spend time answering this crappy kind of posting?), there was a militia occupying a country and destroying things they don't like. Something like Saddam Husseins statues, righto? Maybe the local people didn't want them removed and made their voices public. And it was a publicity stunt, because "look, we destroy what our holy book tells us to!" - they did not make fans with that kind of action, and I think they sensed that, too - no repeats as far as I heard.
Third, the sheer size of them.
Fourth, the amount of religious value represented by them.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Okay, I am going to play the devil's advocate for a moment, for the sake of 'balance'...

Question for you:

If there was a DIY book on the subject of Abortion (which I'm reasonably sure there is), would you be okay with this book being in your local public library?

How about a statue in your local park memorializing this same book's author?

edit on 4/3/2018 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: DBCowboy

Okay, I am going to play the devil's advocate for a moment, for the sake of 'balance'...

Question for you:

If there was a DIY book on the subject of Abortion (which I'm reasonably sure there is), would you be okay with this book being in your local public library?


Sure.


How about a statue in your local park memorializing this same book's author?


Sure.


Even though the topic and subject "offends" me, ift is not my place, to determine what others should read/look at.




But then again, I'm not an authoritarian douche bag.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari




It's all part of rewriting history.

Isn't that what ISIS was doing upon capturing cities?



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