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The trade war get interesting. China hits back.. hard..

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posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: purplemer

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: purplemer

They have such toxic agriculture they have to buy up land and companies in other countries just to produce something edible. The place is a polluted cesspool. Its so bad in Beijing they put in a massive LED wall to play video of sun rise and sun set cause you can't see it through the smog most days. Have you seen the waters there???


Yes and they are actually doing something about it. Infact a lot more than the USA. But go back to your propaganda if it makes you happy.


So they claim.

Can we see a source that isn't sourced from the state run propaganda machine?


No you just have to go and see for yourself. China is not perfect, but I loved living there. Everything I needed, and they are making strides in many areas.


Then why did you leave?


Because my wife wanted to set up her own business in the UK, so we came back. That is the only reason why, but I still go back every year or so.

So if you only read, then No, you do not know what it is like.


If it was so good, then why couldn't she have run the business from China?


Because she wanted to set up a Chinese miao silver jewllery business, hence the reason we went back to the UK.

Also, if you love a place, does that mean you have to stay in that one place all your life? That is a bit silly, don't you think?


I mean, a website and shipping seems pretty easy, without having to move, and you can stay where you love.

Seems like there is more to the story than you're willing to share just to make your point, which is fine, of course.

Also, many people live for different things. Most try to end up where they would love to be and make it work.


LOL you do not really know much about business do you. My wife sells her stuff online. She has customers in America and Europe. She would not have had the customers if she was posting out of china!

There is nothing more to it than that. Does your mind refuse to believe that a western person could live happily in China?

The first thing that struck me when i first went to Beijing, was the amount of westerners living there. But of course, armchair readers will not know this. I bet a lot of people think china is like north korea lol lol


Oh, so you're saying that being in China would have hindered her business? Why is that?

Also, with the lack of free speech and the surveillance state etc, it doesn't seem like the greatest place. But what does this "armchair reader" know. I'll just refer to your anecdotes as to why China is so great, despite leaving to run a business...Maybe it isn't so great.



Seriously!?

I mean really! Seriously!?

I have told you the reasons why ( which you have ignored) it is like your mind cannot comprehend that someone can like something or some place you do not like.

How ignorant and aragont is that?

So you think I am hiding some dark twisted secret to why i left China? All because i left china with my wife, who is chinese, so she could start a business.

Seriously! lol


Seriously? You said the only reason you left China was so your wife could start a business. You also said that if you had stayed in China, you wouldn't have had American And European Customers, did you not? I don't think its a secret as to why you left China. Its right there. If China was so great for your intentions, you wouldn't have left, correct?


Are you too ignorant or arrogant to understand?






LOL Are you the only one who does not understand this!? Ok, let me break it down for you one more time!

My wife wanted to buy and sell jewellery online. This would be through eBay and etsy. And it is no secret that customers buying single items are very dubious about buying from Asia, not just china. With the amount of fakes coming out of China, that is understanble.

So, we decided to go back to the UK and set up the business, which is doing quite well, and no way would she have had the same sales if customers knew they were buy, let's say, a single ring from China.

What part of this do you not understand. I guess your brain cannot get round the fact that I loved living in China. I loved living in Spain too, and Germany.

Should I have stayed in these places I loved all at the same time?? lol

It is called loving to travel and learn about new places and cultures. You should try it some time!


What part of your own post don't you understand?

Clearly, its a tick against China if you couldn't run your planned business from there, let alone do as well as you say your doing now. Unless you planned on leaving anyway, because you love to travel, which would be a 2nd reason.


Either way, your subjective anecdote doesn't change the realities of life in China. But it certainly begs the question of whether or not you just stayed in the tourist friendly areas.

But please, tell me more about my brain Mr. jewelry selling neurologist.




posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 09:50 PM
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Well.. I'm just happy all our Trump-loving crackpot global fiscal experts are on hand to reassure us that Trump isn't doing something pointless and stupid! Whew.. was worried that the stock market would plummet because of these actions. But hell.. not sure why I am worried, Trump knows best!



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Pandaram

Oh dear. What a shame. Never mind.



Seriously, after Trump started this nonsense, did anyone expect China not to respond in kind ?
Trump expected it. Like he said, and I firmly believe it to be true, trade wars are good for the economy in the long run. It might get rough for a little while, but when everything is said and done I think he will be vindicated.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Pandaram

Oh dear. What a shame. Never mind.



Seriously, after Trump started this nonsense, did anyone expect China not to respond in kind ?
Trump expected it. Like he said, and I firmly believe it to be true, trade wars are good for the economy in the long run. It might get rough for a little while, but when everything is said and done I think he will be vindicated.


When have trade wars ever been good for an economy?



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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The pig farmers don't think a trade war is very smart.

www.bloomberg.com...



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 11:14 PM
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Here's the way I look at it Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Japan have some of the highest tariffs against trading partners. They are protecting their industries which leads to higher wages. Bottom line look at the poverty levels in these countries compared to the United States. They have better paying jobs and far fewer are in poverty.

The problem is the United States is held by a diffrent standard then these countries. The US is expected to sacrifice our economic stability to boost the world economy. Now for the trade war as in any negotiation you gave to have leverage. This will get worked out because China cannot afford it not to. The EU market has closed for China as the EU just isn't interested in Chinese imports. As far as effecting the US economy only about 15 percent of imports come from China. However what people don't get is China's economy is dependent on the United States.

China built companies who's sole purpose was to compete in US market. This included building factories and even cities for the workers. Without us trade millions of chinese will be unemployed.



posted on Apr, 4 2018 @ 02:22 AM
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The US imported more pork from Canada, Denmark, etc than it exported to China last year. Digest that for a minute... It is a spit in the bucket of US pork production. Is it great for the industry? No. But it's hardly mortal.


We have a $350,000,000,000.00 trade imbalance. Their industries are already over capacity. There is no way they can win a trade war. This is about leverage for the next trade deals. They need to keep as close to the status quo as possible because their economy is already stagnant and overcapacity. They need our market way more than we need their imports.



posted on Apr, 4 2018 @ 04:57 AM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: purplemer

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: purplemer

They have such toxic agriculture they have to buy up land and companies in other countries just to produce something edible. The place is a polluted cesspool. Its so bad in Beijing they put in a massive LED wall to play video of sun rise and sun set cause you can't see it through the smog most days. Have you seen the waters there???


Yes and they are actually doing something about it. Infact a lot more than the USA. But go back to your propaganda if it makes you happy.


So they claim.

Can we see a source that isn't sourced from the state run propaganda machine?


No you just have to go and see for yourself. China is not perfect, but I loved living there. Everything I needed, and they are making strides in many areas.


Then why did you leave?


Because my wife wanted to set up her own business in the UK, so we came back. That is the only reason why, but I still go back every year or so.

So if you only read, then No, you do not know what it is like.


If it was so good, then why couldn't she have run the business from China?


Because she wanted to set up a Chinese miao silver jewllery business, hence the reason we went back to the UK.

Also, if you love a place, does that mean you have to stay in that one place all your life? That is a bit silly, don't you think?


I mean, a website and shipping seems pretty easy, without having to move, and you can stay where you love.

Seems like there is more to the story than you're willing to share just to make your point, which is fine, of course.

Also, many people live for different things. Most try to end up where they would love to be and make it work.


LOL you do not really know much about business do you. My wife sells her stuff online. She has customers in America and Europe. She would not have had the customers if she was posting out of china!

There is nothing more to it than that. Does your mind refuse to believe that a western person could live happily in China?

The first thing that struck me when i first went to Beijing, was the amount of westerners living there. But of course, armchair readers will not know this. I bet a lot of people think china is like north korea lol lol


Oh, so you're saying that being in China would have hindered her business? Why is that?

Also, with the lack of free speech and the surveillance state etc, it doesn't seem like the greatest place. But what does this "armchair reader" know. I'll just refer to your anecdotes as to why China is so great, despite leaving to run a business...Maybe it isn't so great.



Seriously!?

I mean really! Seriously!?

I have told you the reasons why ( which you have ignored) it is like your mind cannot comprehend that someone can like something or some place you do not like.

How ignorant and aragont is that?

So you think I am hiding some dark twisted secret to why i left China? All because i left china with my wife, who is chinese, so she could start a business.

Seriously! lol


Seriously? You said the only reason you left China was so your wife could start a business. You also said that if you had stayed in China, you wouldn't have had American And European Customers, did you not? I don't think its a secret as to why you left China. Its right there. If China was so great for your intentions, you wouldn't have left, correct?


Are you too ignorant or arrogant to understand?






LOL Are you the only one who does not understand this!? Ok, let me break it down for you one more time!

My wife wanted to buy and sell jewellery online. This would be through eBay and etsy. And it is no secret that customers buying single items are very dubious about buying from Asia, not just china. With the amount of fakes coming out of China, that is understanble.

So, we decided to go back to the UK and set up the business, which is doing quite well, and no way would she have had the same sales if customers knew they were buy, let's say, a single ring from China.

What part of this do you not understand. I guess your brain cannot get round the fact that I loved living in China. I loved living in Spain too, and Germany.

Should I have stayed in these places I loved all at the same time?? lol

It is called loving to travel and learn about new places and cultures. You should try it some time!


What part of your own post don't you understand?

Clearly, its a tick against China if you couldn't run your planned business from there, let alone do as well as you say your doing now. Unless you planned on leaving anyway, because you love to travel, which would be a 2nd reason.


Either way, your subjective anecdote doesn't change the realities of life in China. But it certainly begs the question of whether or not you just stayed in the tourist friendly areas.

But please, tell me more about my brain Mr. jewelry selling neurologist.



Are you really that ignorant and arrogant? I have told you the reason why we moved back to the UK. I have given you reasons why it was a better business move for my wife.

As for living as a tourist lol I was working in China! I was teaching English. We had to work to live in China!

Not once did I say that China is perfect! Of course it has bad/poor places, just like every country in the world. But I had no problems in China at all. Everyone I met was decent and kind. To the point that when I came back to the UK, I was a bit nervous walking the streets.

And like I said, I go back to China often. The only thing I really missed living in China was my family.

I really do not know what else to say to you. Obviously you are the type that thinks they are always right, and knows everything, when clearly, you do not.



posted on Apr, 4 2018 @ 05:44 AM
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Here's the way I look at it Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Japan have some of the highest tariffs against trading partners. They are protecting their industries which leads to higher wages. Bottom line look at the poverty levels in these countries compared to the United States. They have better paying jobs and far fewer are in poverty.


All four countries have highly regulated economies. There are long mandatory vacations, shorter work hours, reins on layoffs, etc. In Japan, medical costs are dictated by the government. Just emulating their trade policies would not be enough. So long as industries have no incentive to pass their profits on to their labor pool, the United States will continue to have low job satisfaction, high poverty, and substance abuse. Conservatives believe in free markets and minimum government regulation. Tariffs are anathema to market principles. If you are going to abandon free trade, you might as well increase regulation... otherwise the situation will only get worse.
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posted on Apr, 4 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: SailorJerry


When have trade wars ever been good for an economy?


When they are one sided.

Tariffs on Chinese aluminum and steel: bad because they might do things we don't like.

Economic sanctions on North Korea: good, what are they going to do about it?



posted on Apr, 4 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: Pandaram



I am glad this is happening. It might force American companies to start using American workers for manufacturing again. In the field I am in, about 80 percent of what we used to make here is now made in Asia. If that gets too expensive, it might just make American manufacturing attractive again.



posted on Apr, 4 2018 @ 07:45 PM
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China is determined to go tit for tat and targeting Trump’s base in the Midwest, all those vulnerable farmers.

It’s easy to support the Trump follies when you don’t have to be hurt economically by his reckless policies.


The Chinese are tough. I remember when I worked delivering food for a Chinese restaurant. One week he didn’t do so well, and I kid you not, he really tried to pay me in fried rice. I said look a here buddy in America we pay. Of course, I got my money but lost a part-time job.


Though the fried rice was excellent, I preferred green.



posted on Apr, 4 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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Bush rolls over to China: "Why are we destroying our industrial base to enrich China?!"

Obama places tariffs on Chinese imports: "Finally, we're protecting American jobs! Our hero!"

Trump places tariffs on Chinese imoorts: "My God, you fool! You'll ruin us! Sky is falling!"



posted on Apr, 4 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Willtell thread slamming Trump on economy,:
Title:
He made promises that he didn’t keep’: Laid-off factory workers feel betrayed by Trump




Companies also are continuing to move jobs offshore and are likely to continue to do so at an ever more rapid pace: Roughly one in four jobs are at risk of being moved offshore in the coming years, 





These people, against common sense, believed Trump. He’s a con man and he convinced them he would help them. 
...
I know about this, I am an ex GM worker, ...





Trump constantly promises “lots of jobs,” and boasts of cracking down on companies moving jobs abroad. Trump officially buried the Trans-Pacific Partnership, but that was dead anyway. He issued a “Buy America, Hire America” executive order, but that just called for a review, not action. Beneath the noise, workers are getting betrayed. 




He has abandoned the End the Offshoring Act he promised in the first 100 days, which would use tariffs to discourage companies from moving abroad. Worse, he’s backed off pressuring China on the unprecedented trade deficits we suffer, and in so doing sacrifices American jobs for China’s supposed help with North Korea. Rather than ripping up NAFTA, he now says he’ll renegotiate it 





Here's the real Trump, not his twisted rhetoric or delusions 




What a hack you are...


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posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 04:46 AM
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originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Pandaram

Oh dear. What a shame. Never mind.



Seriously, after Trump started this nonsense, did anyone expect China not to respond in kind ?
Trump expected it. Like he said, and I firmly believe it to be true, trade wars are good for the economy in the long run. It might get rough for a little while, but when everything is said and done I think he will be vindicated.


When have trade wars ever been good for an economy?
When the trade wars end. China says this trade war is a lose, lose. That's exactly the point. It opens the door to new negotiations that can result in better trade deals that will in turn boost our economy.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 05:54 AM
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originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Pandaram

Oh dear. What a shame. Never mind.



Seriously, after Trump started this nonsense, did anyone expect China not to respond in kind ?
Trump expected it. Like he said, and I firmly believe it to be true, trade wars are good for the economy in the long run. It might get rough for a little while, but when everything is said and done I think he will be vindicated.


When have trade wars ever been good for an economy?
When the trade wars end. China says this trade war is a lose, lose. That's exactly the point. It opens the door to new negotiations that can result in better trade deals that will in turn boost our economy.


Unfortunately, trade wars tend to end after they have escalated into shooting wars. The protectionism of the 1930s contributed to the start of the '38-'45 war. After that, the world's economies recovered rapidly as destroyed infrastructure was replaced. Globalism recommenced, with transnational associations like the European Steel and Coal Committee later EEC, then EU) NATO, SEATO, and various free trade agreements. (And let's not forget the Marshall Plan!) There are any number of potential border conflicts created by China's "Nine Dash Map" to speed us towards this sort of "recovery."
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posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: SR1TX
That whole country can slide into the Pacific.

Fk China. None of you are business people so you don't know how trash everything that comes from there really is.


And where do you think the computer or smartphone you posted from was constructed? maybe your brain was made in China.

China know what they are doing, they have the sweatshops, the manufacturing facilities, and the cheap labor.
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posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Pandaram

Oh dear. What a shame. Never mind.



Seriously, after Trump started this nonsense, did anyone expect China not to respond in kind ?
Trump expected it. Like he said, and I firmly believe it to be true, trade wars are good for the economy in the long run. It might get rough for a little while, but when everything is said and done I think he will be vindicated.


When have trade wars ever been good for an economy?
When the trade wars end. China says this trade war is a lose, lose. That's exactly the point. It opens the door to new negotiations that can result in better trade deals that will in turn boost our economy.


Unfortunately, trade wars tend to end after they have escalated into shooting wars. The protectionism of the 1930s contributed to the start of the '38-'45 war. After that, the world's economies recovered rapidly as destroyed infrastructure was replaced. Globalism recommenced, with transnational associations like the European Steel and Coal Committee later EEC, then EU) NATO, SEATO, and various free trade agreements. (And let's not forget the Marshall Plan!) There are any number of potential border conflicts created by China's "Nine Dash Map" to speed us towards this sort of "recovery."
Interesting. I hadn't considered that. You know, I've been wondering if there isn't more behind the scenes regarding the militarization of the southern border. Possibly a prepetory act in securing our weaker border? I know we've placed the national guard a few times under Bush Jr and Obama, they are supposed to be unarmed, and I don't know how many troops he is sending. I alsi know it's unlikely, and the thought came from the mind of an obvious dolt (me). Still, is the notion so far-fetched, or do you think it's all just political and/or face value, i.e., strictly about illegal immigration?



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

There is a rising global concern over borders. Russia has annexed several territories. Hungary has tightened its borders. China is expanding into the surrounding islands. The Kyrils may soon be an active dispute. If NAFTA goes, Canada might beef up it borders with the US out of spite. The list goes on and on. So although the mobilization across the US/Mexico border is not directly connected to the China situation, the global powers appear to be gearing up for territorial as well as economic conflict.



posted on Apr, 5 2018 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
The pig farmers don't think a trade war is very smart.

www.bloomberg.com...


It's not just pig farmers, beef is taking a hit as well. They're also targeting soy, and this year is the first time in decades that US farmers have planted more soy than corn.

For US agriculture it's going to be a tough year.

I'm willing to see how this rolls out long term. I hate Trump, and I live in a place that is dependent upon agriculture but he might have this right in the end. This is where the rubber really meets the road as far as what Trump can do to benefit Americans and where, frankly, I have no clue what the heck I'm looking at.
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