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How are those Gun Laws working out for you, England?

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posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Id probably say yes mate, 98% white here and we fight like blokes instead of being stabby. Gotta question the cultural reasons as well
...or deny them and stick our heads in the sand.


Glasgow had a terrible reputation for knife crime at a period when it was overwhelming White. Anecdote is not evidence.

Areas with high poverty and a younger demographic will have higher violent crime. The affect of ethnicity on this is minimal.

I said in the other thread that I can't remember the last white stabbing victim in London when I've seen pictures on the news. I got some figures earlier from 2010 I believe and black youths were disproportiately represented from a skim read.
Here you go...
Black offenders 36% in 2010, white offenders 46%, Asian 16%
www.whatdotheyknow.com...

Here's a link to figures for population breakdown by race in London...
en.wikipedia.org...

To save a click:
Black population 13.3% with 36% of killers
White population 59.8% with 46% of killers
Asian population 18.4% with 16% of killers

Based on that raw observation it seems being stabby is a bit of a problem in the black community compared to white or Asian.
Do you not think that black youths are more stabby than white and Asian in London? Why not?




posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Id probably say yes mate, 98% white here and we fight like blokes instead of being stabby. Gotta question the cultural reasons as well
...or deny them and stick our heads in the sand.


Glasgow had a terrible reputation for knife crime at a period when it was overwhelming White. Anecdote is not evidence.

Areas with high poverty and a younger demographic will have higher violent crime. The affect of ethnicity on this is minimal.

I said in the other thread that I can't remember the last white stabbing victim in London when I've seen pictures on the news. I got some figures earlier from 2010 I believe and black youths were disproportiately represented from a skim read.
Here you go...
Black offenders 36% in 2010, white offenders 46%, Asian 16%
www.whatdotheyknow.com...

Here's a link to figures for population breakdown by race in London...
en.wikipedia.org...

To save a click:
Black population 13.3% with 36% of killers
White population 59.8% with 46% of killers
Asian population 18.4% with 16% of killers

Based on that raw observation it seems being stabby is a bit of a problem in the black community compared to white or Asian.
Do you not think that black youths are more stabby than white and Asian in London? Why not?


Adjust your figures for age and poverty demographics and come back to me.

Or do you just think black people are more 'stabby'



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot
No, you adjust them if you think the stat's I presented are wrong.
Fact is black youths are stabbing black youths to death in London, more than any other demographic, you just want to be all PC about it.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot
No, you adjust them if you think the stat's I presented are wrong.
Fact is black youths are stabbing black youths to death in London, more than any other demographic, you just want to be all PC about it.


No just not all racist about it. Your figures make no sense as you can't look at ethnicity in isolation when gender, age and poverty are much higher contributing factors.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Bollocks, there are as many skint white, Asian, and Chinese people in London and elsewhere, they just are'nt as stabby for some reason.
How do you explain that?

EDIT
The City of London Police even answered the freedom of information request specifically based on age group. So all you have left to argue is poverty, while JSA is the same rate nationally for all people. Desperate to be all PC. Lame and blinkered.
edit on 3-4-2018 by CornishCeltGuy because: (no reason given)

EDIT
And gender factors in the stats LMAO, almost exclusively male, do you disagree with that as well? #in blinkered for sure.
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posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Bollocks, there are as many skint white, Asian, and Chinese people in London and elsewhere, they just are'nt as stabby for some reason.
How do you explain that?

EDIT
The City of London Police even answered the freedom of information request specifically based on age group. So all you have left to argue is poverty, while JSA is the same rate nationally for all people. Desperate to be all PC. Lame and blinkered.


No, just not a racist who thinks some people are inherently more 'stabby' based on the colour of their skin.
edit on 3-4-2018 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Bollocks, there are as many skint white, Asian, and Chinese people in London and elsewhere, they just are'nt as stabby for some reason.
How do you explain that?

EDIT
The City of London Police even answered the freedom of information request specifically based on age group. So all you have left to argue is poverty, while JSA is the same rate nationally for all people. Desperate to be all PC. Lame and blinkered.


Since you are the one using stats without adjusting for proportion of young males in poverty I think its quite clear who is blinkered.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Bollocks, there are as many skint white, Asian, and Chinese people in London and elsewhere, they just are'nt as stabby for some reason.
How do you explain that?

EDIT
The City of London Police even answered the freedom of information request specifically based on age group. So all you have left to argue is poverty, while JSA is the same rate nationally for all people. Desperate to be all PC. Lame and blinkered.


No, just not a racist who thinks sone people are inherently more 'stabby' based on the colour of their skin.

I'm not racist, I'm just presenting stats from the city of London police which show that black people in their patch are stabbing people to death more than any other demographic.
Presenting facts is not racist, but carry on being all PC and crying racism at actual facts.

EDIT
And bollocks again with the poverty line, plenty of skint white and Asian people in London, more skint whites obviously due to majority population, but the minority black community are stabbing more people to death. A fact.
Now find figures to suggest what I'm saying is wrong or carry on with your PC bleating.
edit on 3-4-2018 by CornishCeltGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Bollocks, there are as many skint white, Asian, and Chinese people in London and elsewhere, they just are'nt as stabby for some reason.
How do you explain that?

EDIT
The City of London Police even answered the freedom of information request specifically based on age group. So all you have left to argue is poverty, while JSA is the same rate nationally for all people. Desperate to be all PC. Lame and blinkered.


No, just not a racist who thinks sone people are inherently more 'stabby' based on the colour of their skin.

I'm not racist, I'm just presenting stats from the city of London police which show that black people in their patch are stabbing people to death more than any other demographic.
Presenting facts is not racist, but carry on being all PC and crying racism at actual facts.


No you just think blacks are more 'stabby' not racist at all...



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot
In 2010 black youths were more stabby (disproportionately) than any other demographic.
That ain't racist, it's a fact.
EDIT
In London, based on stats by the City of London police. Are they racist now as well?

edit on 3-4-2018 by CornishCeltGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot
In 2010 black youths were more stabby (disproportionately) than any other demographic.
That ain't racist, it's a fact.
EDIT
In London, based on stats by the City of London police. Are they racist now as well?


Feel free to share your explanation of why?



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Feel free to share why you think the stats presented by the police are wrong.

EDIT
Only a guess, but 'gangsta' rap culture? Music celebrating doing people over?

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posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

I don't understand how disallowing law
abiding citizens the right to protect
themselves. Has any effect on a person
capable of murder. Someone makes up
thier mind to shoot up a school. How does law
keep them from doing it? That"s just really
stupid. School shootings in England are
unecessary. They already have gun control.


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posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: StallionDuck

I don't understand how disallowing law
abiding citizens the right to protect
themselves. Has any effect on a person
capable of murder. Someone makes up
thier to shoot up a school. How does law
keep them from doing it? That"s just really
stupid. School shootings in England are
unecessary. They already have gun control.



But some people on here are saying a knife is just as effective, so why no school massacres involving knives in the UK?



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Feel free to share why you think the stats presented by the police are wrong.


I don't think they are wrong, your interpretation of them is wrong and I have already explained why.

Feel free to explain how skin colour makes people more 'stabby' in your totally non racist way.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot
London stats:
Black population 13.3% with 36% of killers
White population 59.8% with 46% of killers
Asian population 18.4% with 16% of killers
Explain it away in your PC way...
EDIT
You can't can you. Fact is, in London, black youths are more stabby than any other demographic.
You'd be a crap cop if you didn't see that as a problem to be looked into in the community...but no surprise being so politically correct all the #ing time.

edit on 3-4-2018 by CornishCeltGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot
London stats:
Black population 13.3% with 36% of killers
White population 59.8% with 46% of killers
Asian population 18.4% with 16% of killers
Explain it away in your PC way...


Already have done. Your inability to understand is your problem.

Still waiting for explanation of how skin colour makes people 'stabby'.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

You've explained nothing. Black youths are disproportionately stabbing more people to death than any other demographic, fact.
I haven't said skin colour is the reason, just stated a fact that black youths are more stabby in London than whites or Asians.
It's a fact, not a racist comment. If it wasn't a fact it would be racist, but it is, so sharing the fact is not a racist position.
Lame arsed accusations of racism, pathetic ffs.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

You've explained nothing. Black youths are disproportionately stabbing more people to death than any other demographic, fact.
I haven't said skin colour is the reason, just stated a fact that black youths are more stabby in London than whites or Asians.
It's a fact, not a racist comment. If it wasn't a fact it would be racist, but it is, so sharing the fact is not a racist position.
Lame arsed accusations of racism, pathetic ffs.


I would be more inclined to believe you if it wasn't for your desperate scrabbling to discount any other reason.

As it is I think racist is pretty accurate.



posted on Apr, 3 2018 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot

You've explained nothing. Black youths are disproportionately stabbing more people to death than any other demographic, fact.
I haven't said skin colour is the reason, just stated a fact that black youths are more stabby in London than whites or Asians.
It's a fact, not a racist comment. If it wasn't a fact it would be racist, but it is, so sharing the fact is not a racist position.
Lame arsed accusations of racism, pathetic ffs.


I would be more inclined to believe you if it wasn't for your desperate scrabbling to discount any other reason.

As it is I think racist is pretty accurate.


I think it is a bit wrong to label someone a racist, when they clearly are not. It seems to be an easy card yo pull out when losing a debate.

What he said has nothing to do with being racist!



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