How are those Gun Laws working out for you, England?

It's not just murder that London has a major issue with, rapes are 3 times higher than NY and burglaries 6 times higher.
Khan has created a Western hell hole - he must be modelling his approach on Democrats in the US.

originally posted by: UKTruth
It's not just murder that London has a major issue with, rapes are 3 times higher than NY and burglaries 6 times higher.
Khan has created a Western hell hole - he must be modelling his approach on Democrats in the US.

Nothing to do with Tory police cuts then?

The UK classify rape completely different than the US. Your figures are completely wrong.

Trump tweeted it is because of Islamic terror....
Moron this is what happens after years of austerity.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Do you have a link to this study? A google search only brings up an organized crime study in that time frame.

a reply to: UKTruth

Democrats are great at destroying cities. They have a very long and illustrious history of doing so. Khan seems like he's trying to ensure london becomes chicago or new orleans.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: ScepticScot

Do you have a link to this study? A google search only brings up an organized crime study in that time frame.

It's been archived but you can get a pdf copy downloaded from Home Office.

It's called.
Longitudinal analysis of the Offending, Crime and
Justice Survey 2003–06

Sorry can't get link to work.

a reply to: ScepticScot

No worries, I'll look it up.

ETA: Found it here Link

ETA2: The relevant statement from the study:

The analysis does not indicate any significant influence on trajectories associated with ethnicity or religious affiliation,
after controlling for other factors included in the models. As noted earlier, some analyses of the OCJS (e.g. Sharp and
Budd, 2005) have pointed to the evidence that levels of offending and drug use were lower for young people of non-
White ethnic identities and those with religious affiliation. Our findings suggest this pattern is attributable to other
characteristics of these sample members. The social class of the family, based on the occupation of the chief wage-earner,
was not significantly associated with the likelihood of offending and drug use

a reply to: Dfairlite

a reply to: SkepticScot

This is definitely interesting to read. I looked up the demographics from 2005 (mid-study) and here is the breakdown:
92% white, 4% asian, 2% black, 2% other.

There has been a fairly decent size shift since this study, though, the UK is still pretty homogeneous. 2005 UK demographics are about like the demographics of salt lake city. Obviously, much more populous, but the breakdown of majority to minorities is similar.

Social control theory would dictate that at these levels, crime would be fairly low, even among minority groups. However as the minority population increases and their values system differentiates from the majority, their crime rates would increase at a rapid rate. The widening chasm between values systems of muslims and christians and the non-religious would cause further divide and acceleration of the crime rate in minority communities (so long as the majority gets to define crime by their values).

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: SprocketUK

If the British Government wanted to Break your Door Down and come in your House For ANY Reason , how you gonna Stop them Mate ? .....Hmm........

An Englishmans home is his castle, they cant do anything - police protect by consent, they're servants not by authority. We have laws, police obey them and don't shoot us in the face 100 times for nothing. Told them to go away myself over an incident that was none of their business - as long as you're vaguely civil they'll respect it. At work we have smoke bombs, cannons, sten guns, claymore mines, live fire rifles (used by ex ex SF) to fire at participants and tie police or health and safety in the woods - there's a Lord Justice May ruling banning them from comming on for their own safety.

As for knife crime - pointless argument - had a gang pull knives on myself and a mate one night (once in entire life and used to be a very naughty boy) - smashed the guys head through a phonebox, his mates ran off scared and hardly the biggest guy - keep 1ft away from an attacker and you're safe - know basic arm anatomy and the smallest person can turn the knife on an attacker - guns don't work that way would have had a 100m kill zone at least with up to 100 dead per minute.


So yeah I like the fact kids go to school witohut being killed, I never feel the need to carry a weapon, streets are safe, don't get shot by cops, dont get into trouble unless looking for it, don't live in a fantasy Clint Eastwood movie,..just a nice place where 99% of people just want to enjoy life and aren't playing G.I Joe.


There's a good reason US Marines and SF can't complete our Tough Guy extreme survival event - big girls blouses cant even handle a marathon of ice and bombs without their pew pews. youtu.be...

a reply to: bastion

An Englishmans home is his castle, they cant do anything

And what if they violate that? I mean, you used to have freedom of speech too. Now they jail people for "hate speech".

Streets are safe

LOL, as the rape rate is out of control, the robbery rate out of control, and the murder rate is out of control, you might want to rethink that statement!

a reply to: Dfairlite

Read up on the law, warrants, legal entry, trial, all cases thrown out due to not following due process, they're not allowed in without a court warrant, crown rules, officers will be jailed - still all better than being shot by a cop.

In the land of make believe maybe.

Does it really matter whether you die by getting stabbed or shot?

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: bastion

An Englishmans home is his castle, they cant do anything

And what if they violate that? I mean, you used to have freedom of speech too. Now they jail people for "hate speech".

Streets are safe

LOL, as the rape rate is out of control, the robbery rate out of control, and the murder rate is out of control, you might want to rethink that statement!

There has been a long term decline in violent crime in the UK. Figures gave increased over last few years but from a low level (and with fair degree of correlation to cuts in police numbers).

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Does it really matter whether you die by getting stabbed or shot?

No but the likely hood of it happening certainly matters.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: bastion

An Englishmans home is his castle, they cant do anything

And what if they violate that? I mean, you used to have freedom of speech too. Now they jail people for "hate speech".

Streets are safe

LOL, as the rape rate is out of control, the robbery rate out of control, and the murder rate is out of control, you might want to rethink that statement!

There has been a long term decline in violent crime in the UK. Figures gave increased over last few years but from a low level (and with fair degree of correlation to cuts in police numbers).

Agreed, ex landlord is CID and good mates with a few higher ups, the cuts are horrific with highly experiencesd, trained and respected police being denied mangerial roles replaced by people who worked for KFC in some cases due to having to pay them less. Their opinion is G4S or similar will take over nearly all policing (and not prone to conspiracy theories or fanciful ideas).

Areas around here that were absolute no go zones 'police had a sayin g even the police dogs walk round in twos) have somehow become really pleasant areas (My mum taught there and was common for parents or kids to bring baseball bats with nails in to school/parents evening or police to evacuate the school hunting for robbers - one time the helicopter had to tell them they we're roof of the on the wrong #ing school' .

Was positively shocked going there earlier in the year to see a community centre (not burnt down/robbed) and people could park their cars - kids used to fire BB guns/air rifles at passers by from out the area in the early 90s - quote a lot were blinded - now its pretty much crime free apart from the odd bit of weed growing.

ETA: Hooliganism is pretty much dead too and major public disorder like poll tax riots.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Doesn't matter how many police in streets, stabbings will still happen, police are there after the fact 99% of the time.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Does it really matter whether you die by getting stabbed or shot?

Depends on the individual.

originally posted by: AstrapisekirtS
a reply to: ScepticScot

Doesn't matter how many police in streets, stabbings will still happen, police are there after the fact 99% of the time.

Some stabbing yes, but presence of police tends to reduce violence that escalates to stabbings. Adequate funding for police also increases arrests which reduces repeat offences particularly for gang and drug related attacks.

It's obviously not just about funding as how the manpower is deployed has a big effect. The Met for example is quite well funded relative to many forces, but has a lot of responsibilities that many comparable police forces don't as there is no national police force in the UK (except arguably BTP).

a reply to: Dfairlite
Your a mite off. The office of national statistics list the demography of London 2011 White British, Irish, Gypsy/Irish traveller and other as 59.79%. Asian 18.49%. Black 4.96%. Arab and other 3.44%.
That was 2011 and there has been a major influx since. That put white british 59.79% and other ethnics 40.21%.
Please google names of Knife death victims in London 2017 and look at the list of names. I'll let you come to your own conclusions as I've been accused of using anecdotal data. These are official FACTS, you can't hide that but you can obvuscate so you decide.

If it is not to do with guns, and only the person, then why in the UK do we have no school massacres?

Why does america have so many, with most involving guns?