Jacques Vallee Narrates Alien Artifacts Recovered from Crashed UFOs are NOT of This World

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The video I've attached was published on March 20, 2018 so it's fairly new.

I'm familiar with Jacques Vallee since I read his first book in 1965: Anatomy of a Phenomenon: Unidentified Objects in Space – a Scientific Appraisal (1st hardcover ed.). NTC/Contemporary Publishing. January 1965. ISBN 0-8092-9888-0.

It was an entertaining read but I was not impressed with his material since I had already known about UFOs since 1957. So what he had to offer was old news to me. I was also very active in New York City's UFO period of weekly multi-lectures and they were more entertaining and informative than Vallee's book. But I liked his style and read his books as they were published.

So when I saw this video's title I wasn't really impressed because I don't accept tales of crashed UFOs. But I started to give it a listen and Jacques mentioned Roswell, seemingly unaware that the evidence does not support any kind of UFO whether crashed or not. Then he goes on and starts talking about isotopes. That was it for me and here it is for you ATS "geniuses" since stuff like this is what makes you get all gooey!

originally posted by: Lathroper
and Jacques mentioned Roswell, seemingly unaware that the evidence does not support any kind of UFO whether crashed

Its pretty strange and out of character for him to do this imho.

(did you ever see Keel btw?)

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: Lathroper
and Jacques mentioned Roswell, seemingly unaware that the evidence does not support any kind of UFO whether crashed

Its pretty strange and out of character for him to do this imho.

(did you ever see Keel btw?)

Archaeologists are not happy with adventurers who deal with ill-gotten artifacts because the artifacts' provenance is lost so history loses. Vallee alleges dealing with ejecta from crashed saucers and gives the ejecta validity even though he has no idea where some of the ejecta originated so that he cannot guarantee that the ejecta did come from a crashed saucer.

He mentions implants but we all know the story of items absorbed by the body naturally such as falling on a shard of glass, etc.

I have no desire to continue following Vallee's exploits.

I met John Keel in the '60s when he was still mostly unknown but I had read some of articles in "Flying Saucer Review" and he attended some of the UFO lectures I did at the beautiful "black" building on W. 41st St. across the street from Bryant Park and the building is now the Bryant Park Hotel. That place was a hotbed for UFO lectures which were always well attended.

Yeah, if Vallee is talking like Roswell was an actual crashed alien craft he's really backtracking on some of his earlier statements. Maybe old age is getting to him?

Interesting to hear about your long background and involvement. Looking forward to hearing more about it.

Were you visiting this site when The Shrike was active, btw? Sounds like y'all might have crossed paths back in the' day. I miss the fella. Crusty as heck but very knowledgeable and brought a lot to the table.

I'll check this out when I get a chance. He's definitely been "Bigelow-ed" and sounds like he's pushing the narrative of his old mates at To The Stars.

My guess is that any of these mystery metals that have strange physical properties are from labs associated with the defense industry and seeded into ufology for some reason but who knows for sure.

originally posted by: Lathroper

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: Lathroper
and Jacques mentioned Roswell, seemingly unaware that the evidence does not support any kind of UFO whether crashed

Its pretty strange and out of character for him to do this imho.

(did you ever see Keel btw?)

Archaeologists are not happy with adventurers who deal with ill-gotten artifacts because the artifacts' provenance is lost so history loses. Vallee alleges dealing with ejecta from crashed saucers and gives the ejecta validity even though he has no idea where some of the ejecta originated so that he cannot guarantee that the ejecta did come from a crashed saucer.

He mentions implants but we all know the story of items absorbed by the body naturally such as falling on a shard of glass, etc.

I have no desire to continue following Vallee's exploits.

I met John Keel in the '60s when he was still mostly unknown but I had read some of articles in "Flying Saucer Review" and he attended some of the UFO lectures I did at the beautiful "black" building on W. 41st St. across the street from Bryant Park and the building is now the Bryant Park Hotel. That place was a hotbed for UFO lectures which were always well attended.

Its really great to have someone like you around here. Some of the really interesting stuff never gets published in books.

Thanks for this Lathroper it 'might' help fill in a few gaps. Or just create more questions.

There is an earlier interview with Jacques Vallée from Spet 2017. Starting at 35:15 (link) in the below show.



At this specific part he discussed unusual isotopic ratios found in samples in trace evidence ejected from UAPs. He seemed to be suggesting that these UAPs materialized in some way and leave a by-product (these pieces of material with strange isotopic ratios).

He also said the materials dated back to 1947 (sort of intimating from Roswell). A very quick scan in the video in the OP revealed a slide detailing the origin of these materials and it seems Maury Island is listed (not Roswell) from 1947.



It also says no sample was available on this slide.

This has got me very intrigued now.I do not have time at the moment to go through the whole video. But I wonder what is going on here? Maybe later this weekend.

a reply to: The GUT

mystery metals that have strange physical properties are from labs associated with the defense industry

I've never seen anything beyond the Star gate material that was identified and disclosed in 1947.
Its common knowledge that you can't get into the area 51 hangers without being escorted by a knowledgeable varlet, and those are pretty much extinct.
Apparently the Tiangong-1 is a sad reminder, I'll probably watch The Tholian Web from 1968 one more time and just go to sleep.

a reply to: The GUT

Got to agreed with you on this gut, they are starting to look at growing aircraft instead of building(at least have started publicly talking about it) them now and I believe these mystery metals and their composition is big indicator of this.

www.baesystems.com...

I respect Vallee more than internet nobodies wannabe debunkers. Show us your published books and research.

a reply to: olaru12

Bit of a silly statement to be honest, your saying if you don't t have published papers and books out there, your opinion is invalid? Whilst part of me agrees that there are people that have closed minds, your statement does not invite valid debate..I don't want or intend to be rude but, it's not helping!

a reply to: pigsy2400

Bit of a silly statement to be honest, your saying if you don't t have published papers and books out there, your opinion is invalid?

No, not invalid but certainly not as credible as someone with a published track record as a reseacher and verified academic credentials.

originally posted by: The GUT
Yeah, if Vallee is talking like Roswell was an actual crashed alien craft he's really backtracking on some of his earlier statements. Maybe old age is getting to him?

Interesting to hear about your long background and involvement. Looking forward to hearing more about it.

Were you visiting this site when The Shrike was active, btw? Sounds like y'all might have crossed paths back in the' day. I miss the fella. Crusty as heck but very knowledgeable and brought a lot to the table.

I'll check this out when I get a chance. He's definitely been "Bigelow-ed" and sounds like he's pushing the narrative of his old mates at To The Stars.

My guess is that any of these mystery metals that have strange physical properties are from labs associated with the defense industry and seeded into ufology for some reason but who knows for sure.

Vallee’s got to do something with his time and TTSA may be the only game in town. Also, he may have reevaluated his past ideas. And last but not least, I personally, with all due respect, have always felt Mr. Vallee was a government operator on some level.

a reply to: olaru12

I've always respected (and generally defended) Vallee and I owe him a lot in my own search for answers/clues, but after spending time and numerous dollars on his materials I don't feel he's above examination. Especially after some of his claims (some of them quite alarming) that he hasn't felt necessary to elaborate much on over the years.

I listened to a little of the vid as I was falling asleep last night and I had mixed feelings about what I heard. He knows the cases from 1947--actually a little before if one buys the lore--were at best questionable especially in regards to mystery metals or troubled craft/crashed saucers, but now he seems to give them some credibility. But only hearing a bit and skipping around some---I might have missed some nuance that would explain better. Then there's the provenance of some of the mystery metals that seem at least nominally problematic from a scientific standpoint.

Having said that, I do believe that there might be phenomena that produces "ejecta," so after I get some chores done I'll be more fair to the good doctor and listen to the whole thing.

If they are items from crashed UFOs, where are the rest of the crashed UFOs? Are the crashed UFOs the size of basketballs?

a reply to: neutronflux

I think most of it is what they are calling "ejecta" (see MirageMan's screenshot above) and has been reported numerous times in the literature. So not crashed craft per se.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: neutronflux

I think most of it is what they are calling "ejecta" (see MirageMan's screenshot above) and has been reported numerous times in the literature. So not crashed craft per se.

I hate pursuing things like this. You never know the context, what is truth, and what is con? Just off the top of my head, could they be meteorites worked by different people?

meteorites are very real. The desire to find and make meteorites into something “magical” is very real?

Good video.
Cases I've never heard of with chain of custody proofs.

Still watching but I came to recommend if you can handle the slow lecture speed.

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"The other area people are most interested in are Roswell, etc. ... I don't have access to that - there are stories, we've all heard the stories, but I'm very skeptical for a number of reasons."

Was this the part that seemed to cause some folks in this thread to lose appreciation for Vallee? Because he seems to be saying that its useless to pursue those cases that are lacking in anything to be studied.

Unfortunately, the 'ejecta' that he is discussing here comes from reported witnesses, so knowing whether the slag truly came from the sighting with only anecdotal information. However, the results from testing is showing a model of composition which is anomalous - not completely unnatural - but with a profile of manufacture, rather than natural, formations. More than that - it would be ludicrously expensive for it to be manufactured.

I find this absolutely fascinating - and I would submit that Jacques Vallee is in rare form here - and doing very well I think trying to test and build a model for a phenomena that wont sit down.

Perhaps the leap to dismiss before actually listening to him should be discouraged, it seems the wrong impression is being given.

Thank you so much for the link, this made my day.

you know that if you dont like jacques vallee, you are an idiot right?
and knowing your past posts of rods being real dont surprise me

however i have to agree that he mentioning roswell as real incident is weird, i am pretty sure its was an early secret human high altitude exposure experiment