Legal System for Schools Needed?

a reply to: Fools

You must be seriously old then, which makes your ability to type cogently very impressive.

I can only presume you're ancient, anyway, since school shootings have been happening for a couple hundred years here in the US.

I thought teen court already exists lol

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: TinySickTears

Always have.

Pecking orders get established in school. Social creatures all of us...

...and often times school administration participates in establishing (or at least recognizing) that order.

does not mean its not a problem or a big deal
it happens every day.

an interesting fact i just read in Sapiens to go with your 800 people killed fact is only 1.5% of people die due to violence every year.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

800 out of a couple hundred million

anyhow here is some lib porn for yall

slate

For a staggering number of Americans under 40, however, it doesn’t require any leap of the imagination at all. According to an analysis conducted by the Washington Post earlier this month, more than 150,000 Americans have experienced a shooting on campus since Columbine in 1999.

I hate to point out the obvious....but WaPo is full of crap and is known as a CIA mouthpiece from way back.

150k isn't a "staggering number". To be classified as a "rare disease" in the US requires 200k people. 150k people is 0.005% of our population (a little less, actually).

SO what i am surmising here is that WaPo used a scope as wide as possible (experienced, meaning they may have heard the gunshots, or known someone affected), then using adjectives that embellish their half made up number. In the world of statistics, this would be called, "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure".

. 05% not .005%.

I know it doesn't really change the point.

a reply to: namehere

I remember what it was like in grade school, junior high, and high school. In every class, in every grade, in every school, we all knew who the bullies were and who the victims were. We knew who teased other kids and we knew who got teased. Every single one of us knew. And so do the kids today.

If they want to change things they should try telling the bully to leave the other kids alone. They should try telling the kids who get teased they are not alone and that they have people on their side. They should try telling their parents, their teachers, their school administrators who is doing the bullying and the teasing and tell them who the victims are. If they want to change their school experience - THEY SHOULD START WITH THEIR SCHOOL.

I don't think we need more funding to our school system so much as a re-envisioning of it.

Think about it:

Who gets boarding school now? The very richest kids, but who might benefit from that kind of environment the most? Likely those kids from the most learning impoverished and structure impoverished backgrounds. Take those at risk kids who are young and need to have structure imposed and intensive learning imposed in a boarding environment. One with the right kind of psychological care and instruction might save many of those kids over putting in our cattle call system.

Look at kids in other situations:

Why are kids who can't or won't learn grouped in with kids who need differentiated curriculum to keep them engaged? It's all based solely on who lives in what area code and is what age.By massing them all together cattle call style, you risk losing the very top and bottom -- the top because they were already there long ago and to bottom because there is no way they have enough time and help to get there to begin with.

And then you have kids with special talents who may or may not be talented specially in other ways. Shouldn't there be the opportunity for them to stretch and develop those talents even if none of their other areas are especially awesome?

And shouldn't all kids have the chance to be grouped in with appropriate ability peers where they can feel like they belong? That isn't always or even automatically your age mates. How many of you always hang out with people your own age once you left them behind after grade school?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Fools

You must be seriously old then, which makes your ability to type cogently very impressive.

I can only presume you're ancient, anyway, since school shootings have been happening for a couple hundred years here in the US.

That depends on what you consider a school shooting. I am talking mass shootings, not some guy kills a guy because of a girl or botched drug deal sort of thing.

I am 48, going on 18

I'll tell you about my son's bullying incident. He was in high school at the time, had a kid verbally abusing him for about 6 months, in front of the class and teacher. He held his cool. Until the other kid decided to step it up a notch one day, and started kicking and pushing him. My son defended himself, two punches and stepped back to let the other kid leave. No, the other kid wanted the fight, so he got what was coming to him. They took my kid to the office, forced him to sign a waiver of constitutional due process rights, and then proceed to tell him he would be expelled. He was a minor at the time and came home with the same papers for me to sign. I filled an injunction against the school board in the local court, claiming that judicial power to decide constitutional rights (which school is in most states) was placed within the courts only, and that the school board had no such powers and what they had done amounted to felony intimidation. Well, they did an about face, allowed my boy back, dropped the matter and paid my court fee! ALL OF OUR GOVERNMENT CONSISTS OF LIARS AND THIEVES!!! DO NOT DOUBT IT. But, yeah, bullying is allowed, self defense is prohibited. Like all government, it is disgusting!

a reply to: Fools

Ohhh so we're putting caveats on it now.

Next I'll provide a list of mass shootings at schools during the 80s, and we'll say "well they didn't happen as often" and put another caveat on the original comment you made.

So we can skip all that and just go with "school shootings have been happening for well over 100 years." They're more frequent now than they used to be, and I suspect that has a lot to do with both the over-medication of youths and a society that pays a lot of lip service to the notion of mental health without doing much actual work on the subject.

a reply to: craterman

yep they will push you as much as you let them

both cases

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

More are killed by police every year.

a reply to: ScepticScot

You are correct....i used the calculator instead of excel and made 300mil into 3bil.

Thanks for the eye.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Fools

Ohhh so we're putting caveats on it now.

Next I'll provide a list of mass shootings at schools during the 80s, and we'll say "well they didn't happen as often" and put another caveat on the original comment you made.

So we can skip all that and just go with "school shootings have been happening for well over 100 years." They're more frequent now than they used to be, and I suspect that has a lot to do with both the over-medication of youths and a society that pays a lot of lip service to the notion of mental health without doing much actual work on the subject.

Its ok, unfortunately human beings have been hurting eachother for a very long time. The thing to do, in your own pod, is to protect your own pod. Outside of your pod, you can only shake your fist and so on.

Now on the other hand, if you can come up with a system that actually does prevent individuals from statecraft, then I am all ears.

the number of school shootings that were not off campus, aimed at another person, a suicide or whatever statistics are jumbled together to distort the truth, since the year 1900 is 181 in total. which would be 30 since 2010, or 5 since the start of 2018, but i was talking about school violence in general not "shootings" with homicidal intentions on campus.

i say this because about 400,000 incidents of non-fatal violence occur in schools every year without guns being involved and 500 fatal incidents occur without guns being involved every year, not only that but 20% of students are victims of bullying or about 7 million.

something is not right in american schools and it's not the shootings.

and i'm not basing my idea of student courts or government on hopes or idealism, it's based on real schools i read about where the focus of policy is personal responsibility, where students govern themselves and even hold trials when a student violates the peace if you will, these schools perform better in every category than other american schools and have no bullying whatsoever or any violent behavior really. these schools aren't dens of chaos like most would assume.

a reply to: namehere


Having worked in schools in a few positions, I would say jails and jurors of the students fellow peers would cause more problems.

Some kids get away with it simply because they have relatives that work for the school, or their parents know admin staff.

The real problem with bullying that I’ve seen, are the # of incidents that staff either ignore, don’t address, or even enable it. Yes, there are some really mean teachers out there. I’ve only encountered a few. I told two of them off after 4 years of watching them yell at kids, and not watch them properly.

Shame on those adults who allow it, or even participate in it.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

800 out of a couple hundred million

anyhow here is some lib porn for yall

slate

For a staggering number of Americans under 40, however, it doesn’t require any leap of the imagination at all. According to an analysis conducted by the Washington Post earlier this month, more than 150,000 Americans have experienced a shooting on campus since Columbine in 1999.

You are talking about being in the vicinity of a shooting.

I was affected....by the footage