Did Pope Francis say there is no hell? Not quite, the Vatican insists

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: SaturnFX

Interesting reply but a bit vague
As a Christian (me) listening to an agnostic atheist (you) telling me that Christians believe the soul is immortal (Catholicism?) I would appreciate some evidence

I see none in scripture, none, so I guess you love the sweet stuff, or whatever the priest tells you

Also on that psalm, more a song from a believer than for everyone

It's interesting, there were two trees in the garden, one of knowledge, guess what the other one was for

Try Genesis 3-22. But hey, you were a good catholic so probably knew that anyway

Yes, I did know that, but people don't live forever...else it would be very crowded.

Anyhow, you got this gem as a start
Matthew 25:46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”
From there, you can pick a good 50 or so verses all discussing heaven and hell.

As far as a direct discussion of eternal life, you can just pop on over to John 3:16...pretty famous
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Not really mixing words. the mythos absolutely promises life eternal.
If it was thought there was no afterlife, there would be pretty much zero people subscribing to that religion, as religion is used to ward off the terrifying prospect of death

a reply to: Raggedyman

You mean that Judaism doesn’t reference the Christian view of hell at all....

So much so that there is no hell in Judaism...



Here is the problem.. in the Torah when god wanted the Jewish people to know something.. he told them strait up what he wanted..

He did not hide prophecy and commandments spread out across multiple books..


He told them strait up, first person what to do.

a reply to: SaturnFX

Of course you are right but still wrong

Could eternal punishment be the destruction of the soul
The my thos does promise life eternal,for those in Christ

Destruction for those not in Christ

You can pick 50 verses and I can shoot them all down
Hell fire is eternal, satans punishment is eternal, where in the bible does it say humanities punishment is eternal

Believers have eternal life, that part I believe in, the rest....

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Hell fire is eternal, satans punishment is eternal, where in the bible does it say humanities punishment is eternal

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

J is discussing the jackasses who don't help people out in their time of need in this instance...since they were dicks, they go to eternal punishment..but those people who helped out the needy get the good stuff.

the life eternal isn't saying they will be vampires..he's discussing the whole kingdom of god stuff.
This is stating directly that their punishment will be eternal.

Humanitys punishment is eternal..well, those whom don't do right.
And consider that...so your daughter or son decided to not give a few bucks to the homeless dude...or decided to vote against foreign aid..whatever. boom, damned according to what Jesus here laid out.
You on the other hand gave all your dosh to the poor, voted straight progressive for most overseas stuff, etc...whatever..never screwed up basically and go into heaven
TADA! You are forever in a heaven with whatever...hugs and chocolate chip cookies..but it suddenly dawns on you your precious daughter is currently being gang raped and sliced up by a hoard of demons because of how the system is designed....so you....shrug it off and continue with cookies, or you demand to see the manager and ask wtf!

The entire premise of christianity...and all the abrahamic religions is founded on the most idiotic system ever considered by even the most hateful and stupid of men...and people are meant to believe that this is how the universe is? that a deity of perfection would design such an absolute comically moronic universe?

In that universe...there is not a single person who would deserve heaven because the only ones in heaven would have to be complicit in the eternal damnation for human screw ups.

That leads me to conclude that the pope is absolutely right...there is no hell..that bs is stuff the church made up in order to fear porn people into going to church and give the church their wealth....in regards to a heaven..well, I see no harm in hoping for that..but if thats all there is, then its simply "the afterlife"

a reply to: SaturnFX

So you boil the whole argument down to one statement, one scripture, that was originally written in Greek and translated to English

Interesting, can you tell me if that eternal punishment is hell or is eternal punishment non existence

I could go on but it seems pointless in context

originally posted by: Peeple
Maybe the plaster came down because some can't accept they have to adapt to society or go under?

Everyone on this planet accepted the path that God gave them. They can go under if they want to.

Many people do not like world events and deny any of it is happening.

Pope is a spirit who accepted being the False Prophet.

All of our decisions and actions are being recorded and if those actions are appropriately executed when considering what information we base our actions on, then God will be pleased that we did something about it. Pro-active is better than being lazy.

So yes, its time for us to adapt to the turmoil that surrounds us. This is where leaders are made. Gods' leaders will lead His followers to safety. The devils' leaders will lead his followers into conflict. The devil pulls the strings of all warmongers and that applies to ALL MILITARY troops.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
No one really knows until they themselves experience death.

Well, you could always just accept and believe what the bible says about the subject.

Capito believed that the Bible was the source of truth. “Let the Bible and the law of Christ always rule supreme in theology,” he stated. According to Dr. Kittelson, Capito “insisted that the chief failing of the scholastic theologians lay in their neglect of the Scriptures.”

Source: Three 16th-Century Truth Seekers—What Did They Find?

What the h*ll is HELL anyway? Are you going there?

Myth 1: The Soul Is Immortal

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“The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”​—Ezekiel 18:4, King James Version.

Regarding the creation of the first human soul, the Bible says: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh].”​—Genesis 2:7.

The Hebrew word neʹphesh, translated “soul,” means ‘a creature that breathes.’ When God created the first man, Adam, He did not infuse into him an immortal soul but the life force that is maintained by breathing. Therefore, “soul” in the Biblical sense refers to the entire living being. If separated from the life force originally given by God, the soul dies.​—Genesis 3:19; Ezekiel 18:20.

The doctrine of the immortality of the soul raised questions: Where do souls go after death? What happens to the souls of the wicked? When nominal Christians adopted the myth of the immortal soul, this led them to accept another myth​—the teaching of hellfire.

Compare these Bible verses: Ecclesiastes 3:19; Matthew 10:28; Acts 3:23

FACT:

At death a person ceases to exist

Eccl. 9:5a

For the living know* [Or “are conscious.”] that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all,...

Francis wants to break taboos. But he is doing it the wrong way. If no hell, no need to follow many commands, would say many. Let alone, when did the church lie to us, then or now.

Instead of that, he could do the so much needed reform. He is already on 81, trying already 5 years. That goal seems now unreachable in realistic terms.

Elected as compromise between warring camps of cardinals with mandate for reform, the failure of the Jesuit could well mean the failure of the Catholic church hierarchy to reform its outdated institution. Who could be the next one to do it better, if the one chosen failed? Is Francis the Last pope therefore?

a reply to: EternalSolace

‘Everything Is In Place And Nobody Can Stop Us Now’ – Dr Day 1969 Lecture

This is a transcript of two out of three tapes on the “New World System” recorded in 1988, published at rense.com. They are Dr. Lawrence Dunegan’s recollections of a lecture he attended on March 20, 1969 at a meeting of the Pittsburgh Pediatric Society. The speaker was Richard Day, MD. (See rense.com) Dunegan first revealed this on the Randy Engels radio show. His son is now creating a website to preserve the tapes.

There is actually over 100 revelations in the talk by Dr Day and this one is actually number 34 in the list (boldings by Mary Maxwell of Gumshoe News):

Another area of discussion by Dr Day was Religion.

This is an avowed atheist speaking. He said, “Religion is not necessarily bad. A lot of people seem to need religion, with its mysteries and rituals – so they will have religion. But the major religions of today have to be changed because they are not compatible with the changes to come. The old religions will have to go especially Christianity. Once the Roman Catholic Church is brought down, the rest of Christianity will follow easily. Then a new religion can be accepted for use all over the world.

In order to do this, the Bible will be changed. It will be rewritten to fit the new religion. Gradually, key words will be replaced with new words having various shades of meaning. Everything in Scripture need not be rewritten, just key words will be replaced by other words.

Then followed one of the most surprising statements of the whole presentation: He said, “Some of you probably think the Churches won’t stand for this,” and he went on to say, “the churches will help us!” There was no elaboration on this.

The classics in Literature would be changed. I seem to recall Mark Twain’s writings was given as one example. But he said that the casual reader reading a revised version of a classic would never even suspect that there was any change. But the changes would promote the acceptability of the new system.