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Trump is wrong to criticize Amazon

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posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963



Check out how Amazon gets out of paying taxes!


Hasn't Trump acknowledged that he found ways to not pay taxes for years? Doesn't he refuse to release his tax returns? How does Trump have any right to criticize others for not paying taxes when he seems so proud to not have paid any himself?




posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: crtrvt

Amazon gets blow out fire sale kind of shipping rates from USPS. While everyone else just took more than a 10% hike the past 2 years.

Try this one:
You can go right now in ebay and order actual items from China $1 TOTAL PRICE SHIPPED. That's after some factory had to get materials and make the item. Somebody had to go buy a truckload of it from the factory. Then pay people to list the stuff in ebay. And pay listing fees. And paypal fees. And ebay final value fees. Then wrap the item for shipping. Then pay the actual shipping label. And drop it in the mail.
$1 total price shipped to your door.

Yet it costs US I think its over $3 now just to ship an empty envelope back to such an address.


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posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:00 PM
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My beef with amazon is the subsidy for them when it comes to deliveries that needs to go away, there is no reason why such a wildly successful company gets help with cutting the cost for deliveries in my book.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Grambler


You know, I normally dont tell people to piss off from a discussion, but in this one case if you have no idea about starting your own business, especially an online retailer business, then you simply have no effing clue the kind of threat Amazon is and should probably shove off if you cant not take a serious position on this matter.



How very mature of you!

Yes, by all means, you know about this so much more than me, so I njeed to shut up.

Oh I just talked to my amish neighbor.,

He says you are using a computer and other electronics which puts him at a severe disadvantage to being able to compete for business.

So he think you dont know what its like, so you should just piss off.

I sit here with my computer I ordered from newegg, while my dog chews a rope from chewy, while cooking a meal from blue apron, while listening to a ween DVD I bought on DVD planet, but you are right, my only choice was amazon.

Why dont you try to be a little less arrogant, and stop being rude.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Curious...have you ever listed products on amazon?



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123

Why should Amazon be expected to do it when their largest competitors don't? Amazon is simply playing by the rules. The government is free to change those rules but they have to do it for everyone. Not just Amazon.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123

Why should Amazon be expected to do it when their largest competitors don't? Amazon is simply playing by the rules. The government is free to change those rules but they have to do it for everyone. Not just Amazon.
Because people need to eat? So because there competitors don't do it, they shouldn't? Lol, Amazon has more then enough to do so.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123

Why should Amazon be expected to do it when their largest competitors don't? Amazon is simply playing by the rules. The government is free to change those rules but they have to do it for everyone. Not just Amazon.
Because people need to eat? So because there competitors don't do it, they shouldn't? Lol, Amazon has more then enough to do so.


I need to make sure i understand your argument....because the "living wage" argument is a complete 180 for you.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123

Why should Amazon be expected to do it when their largest competitors don't? Amazon is simply playing by the rules. The government is free to change those rules but they have to do it for everyone. Not just Amazon.
Because people need to eat? So because there competitors don't do it, they shouldn't? Lol, Amazon has more then enough to do so.


Just to be clear, you are now calling for a federal increase to the minimum wage.

You honosetly may want to consider into looking into voting for someone with more of a government inbterventionists mindset like Benrie sander; he is a huge advocate of pushing for a higher minimum wage.

Meanwhile, every city that has attempted to do this has suffered economically.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123

Why should Amazon be expected to do it when their largest competitors don't? Amazon is simply playing by the rules. The government is free to change those rules but they have to do it for everyone. Not just Amazon.
Because people need to eat? So because there competitors don't do it, they shouldn't? Lol, Amazon has more then enough to do so.


I need to make sure i understand your argument....because the "living wage" argument is a complete 180 for you.


Exactly!!

I find it very amusing to watch people flip positions just because of what one man says.

To defend trump singling out amazon, people that despised bernie economic plans are now advocating them in defense of trump.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123

How Socialist of you.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: burdman30ott6

You keep bringing up the fact of third party sellers not paying sales tax. What does that actually have to do with Amazon though? They wouldn't be the ones paying the sales tax anyway. It's the third party, which is generally a small business, that is getting away with not paying sales tax. The cut Amazon gets from the sale is going to be the same whether or not sales tax is tacked on.

So doesn't this policy actually benefit small business owners that choose to use the Amazon platform?


Incorrect. Amazon would pay the tax to the vendor, then pass that cost on to their purchaser. It functions almost like a VAT tax and is why "middle-middle men" like Amazon don't have the presence in VAT countries that they do in the US.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123

How Socialist of you.
Considering some of the crowd, I'm flattered.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

What industries have you worked in for a living??

Have you ever tried to start your own business?

Have you ever done online mail order?

This discussion goes well beyond mere 'capitalism' do's and dont's or whatever. And if you've never been anywhere near their realm of business you're simply not equipped to realize the absolute threat they are every other sort of retailer anywhere (except maybe used car sales, maybe). Reading lots of articles, knowing a bunch of stuff, having a good idea about economics, but lacking actual experience in the world of starting a retail business you're simply not equipped to be taking a staunch position in this particular discussion. You just wont be able to forecast trends in the face of this thing. Etc.

But that Amish comparison is a good one between them and everyone else. Newegg might hold out for a while longer than most others would be able ont he current trajectory. Some specialty shops will linger. Some of the big boys like Newegg. But little people have absolutely no future in this realm, aside from selling old junk sort of dynamics.

FFS even Walmart is in big trouble somebody mentioned?

NOPE! No cause for concern there. GO back to bed America.

Bejeezus man people been rightfully so ranting about Walmart for like 20 years now. Multiple documentaries in depth about it. And now they're like this Jew Fish versus a WHALE. Nope nothing to worry about. USPS should give them an even better deal now than they've been getting. There's still some more sectors Amazon could use the savings to buy their way in with and push all those little people out too.

Upward social mobility is over with a juggernaut like Amazon set loose the way it is.
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posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I find these appeals to authority or expertise to be ridiculous.

Why does it matter what sort of business I have ran?

Does that mean you admit thaat in any business or job you have never been in, you nadmit to not knowing enough to have an opinion and dont speak up?

What I do see fro your "experinece" starting an online retail store is jealousy.

You can be personally affected by amazon, so now they are evil.

When you had an online shop, I am sure that benefited you more than mom and pop mortar stores.

But you are a good guy, you deserved it, right?

Yeah you are right people said wal mart was going to wipe out all businesses, and no one would be able to compete, and so the government needed to step in..

And they were wrong, as this conversation proves.

You are just like the horse and carrier manufactures that complained that the autombile was putting them out of business, the railways that complained about trucking.

Oh, and I am sure that those groups, just like you, arrogantly told anyone who didnt own a rail way or horse and carriage business that they had no right to have an opinion, because they didnt no how tough automobiles made it for their buisiness.

You have literally called amazon skynet, an illusion to the teminator and robots that launch nuclear weapons to kill humanity.

What part of your great experience starting a business allows you to make such grandiose fear mongering claims?



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123

Why should Amazon be expected to do it when their largest competitors don't? Amazon is simply playing by the rules. The government is free to change those rules but they have to do it for everyone. Not just Amazon.
Because people need to eat? So because there competitors don't do it, they shouldn't? Lol, Amazon has more then enough to do so.


I need to make sure i understand your argument....because the "living wage" argument is a complete 180 for you.


Exactly!!

I find it very amusing to watch people flip positions just because of what one man says.

To defend trump singling out amazon, people that despised bernie economic plans are now advocating them in defense of trump.


Actually I'm impressed Trump had the cajones to take this position and let it be known.

Been increasingly doubt the dude lately otherwise.

I've had my eyes on Amazon for several years now ever since I had a package arrive next day on a Sunday, and item most wouldnt carry, a large heavy item, and the shipping was essentially free.

A few years prior to that I was on this trip telling everyone that would listen to figure out what you enjoy doing, your hobbies you normally just dump money into doing, to instead figure it out so that you can also get doing online sales and make a bit of money back instead of just dump money. Adjust your usual strategy. Because anybody go get online and make money off stuff now. SO figure it out, whatever your little scene is, and stick to it and you can very well get to where you work for yourself from home. Freed from being somebody's chump working for chump change, having your time wasted, while constantly getting jewed in the process. FREEDOM. Freedom starts at home; how you actually live; I'd say.

And then that package arrived on Sunday. And I saw the robot shipping "factories".

And I havent been preaching that sermon of liberation ever since.
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posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

So you know nothing about online mail order / retail business.

And you're still an authority to insist its okay for Amazon to poised to be the biggest robberbarron front quit epossibly in human history.

You're the whoop, yo!



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
You are just like the horse and carrier manufactures that complained that the autombile was putting them out of business, the railways that complained about trucking.


To even make that comparison proves you have no idea what you're event talking about.

This isnt a mere matter of se one type of transportation technology naturally replacing another.

This is one single company utilizing the culmination of all human technology to absorb nearly every conceivable type of retail business (for starters) there is. Is one way to put it, that sentence could be worked several different ways.

And good job twisting my words. Note I havent even talked about making laws against them, but the government bends over backwards to usher them sweet deals and arrangements to ensure they are / become this juggernaut I'm talking about, is what has my hair on fire. As long as they get the absolute cheapest shipping rates that nobody else could ever dream of, that alone seals the deal for any and every little guy that could ever try to sell the same stuff they have (which is already damn near everything that can be bought [online at least]). Then put their massive finances and ability to ride the tip of economies of scale (in purchasing to get the best possible deals), put all the stuff in those automated robot factories, nw couple that with getting better shipping rates than everyone else (not to mention thos eprices for everyone else jacked way up in the meantime), and...




posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Amazon is a marketplace who has created a business model that has empowered millions of small businesses throughout the world. The problem is that Amazon has created a hostile relationship with the small businesses who built it. year over year Amazon raises the cost for 3rd parties while continuing to market its own products. This practice artificially inflates its competitor's price who are already dug in deep in building their business models while they continue marketing their products at current prices. Amazon also creates an environment where fraudsters routinely rip off 3rd party sellers. at some point these things will come to the surface and I suspect Amazon will face scrutiny for its unfair trade practices and price manipulation.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I totally get hating Bezos, but I sure love getting my Amazon boxes.

Amazon just does what they do better than anyone else.




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