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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: carewemust
When its had nearly a trillion dollars annual thrown at it since 9/11, the idea that it "needs" "rebuilding" is insane.
originally posted by: Fools
I do not have the time to list all the numbers, but the combined forces of Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherland, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, and the United States forward military bases in England/Germany/Italy would quite simply overwhelm Russia.
Russia would have initial gains in the Balkans and in some Central Euro theaters but would quickly get swamped down by the overwhelming amount of opponents in Europe.
We would never allow any aircraft to be chewed up by air defenses initially.
If there is one country to worry about in a military sense that country is China.
Moste NATO aircraft would have to be on the move constantly. Its not like they would be left alone at any airport. At least no airport that give NATO aircrafts reach into Russia.
Every airport and runway that have NATO aircrafts on them would be a priority target for diffreent types of missiles.
In a pressumed war with Russia NATO aircraft would probably not find a airfield to land on. After the first few hours of war.
They would probably have to land on different strips of roads because they can not land on any fields. And on many of these roads there might not be a support team to refule and re-arm them.
After a few days these modern jets we have would have no places to do maintenance. And many of our jets would just be left where they stand.
In a war with Russia things will not be like anything we think. NATO dont work that well togheter either. There is a language barrier and a technological barrier within just about everything.
I am pretty sure I remember reading that has been in the preparations back in the 1980's when the Warsaw pact was still around. I don't think anything has changed since then.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
I have trouble taking the concept of war with Russia seriously. Does anyone actually think Russia wouldn't start chucking nukes as soon as they started losing?
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: Wayfarer
I have trouble taking the concept of war with Russia seriously. Does anyone actually think Russia wouldn't start chucking nukes as soon as they started losing?
Yes they would. But they would use their tactical nukes on EU nations first. This will create a buffer for Russia when it comes to NATO's article 5. NATO wont be very effective with a conventional response if this is the senario.
THe US would have to step in either with conventional or with a full scale nucklear load out, or not do anything at all. The choice would be up to the US in the end.
Russia would probably use their tactical nukes on EU NATO members before a full scale Nucklear war between the US and Russia. This gives the US a choice when it comes to their reaction.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: Wayfarer
I have trouble taking the concept of war with Russia seriously. Does anyone actually think Russia wouldn't start chucking nukes as soon as they started losing?
Yes they would. But they would use their tactical nukes on EU nations first. This will create a buffer for Russia when it comes to NATO's article 5. NATO wont be very effective with a conventional response if this is the senario.
THe US would have to step in either with conventional or with a full scale nucklear load out, or not do anything at all. The choice would be up to the US in the end.
Russia would probably use their tactical nukes on EU NATO members before a full scale Nucklear war between the US and Russia. This gives the US a choice when it comes to their reaction.
And you seriously think the US won't counterattack with nuclear weapons when Russia launches nukes at EU member states?
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: spy66
Except the only game in MAD that doesn't end with Russia losing is the fact they're aiming their nukes at the US. If they start chucking nukes EU side the US responds in kind and the EU is glassed, Russia is Glassed, and the USA is the last man standing. I have a hard time believing even Putin is willing to take that risk.
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: spy66
Except the only game in MAD that doesn't end with Russia losing is the fact they're aiming their nukes at the US. If they start chucking nukes EU side the US responds in kind and the EU is glassed, Russia is Glassed, and the USA is the last man standing. I have a hard time believing even Putin is willing to take that risk.
Hehehhehe......
Russia have placed their nukes ready to hit any EU coutry. THat was done when the US put up their missileshield in different countries within Europe. Before that Russia already have their ICBM's on standby to travel to the US if the US does something foolish.
Both Russia and the US are talking about accepted reduced nuklear attacks. THis means that the US probably would accept a scaled down Russian nuklear attack against its partners. And Russia would accept a scaled down US nuklear attack as long it is not on Russion soil.
Tell me where China lies in these organizations. India? Russia?
Of course, I have zero idea what he result would be, but know this, I won't lose one minutes sleep over it.
But by what logic would the USA just accept Russia nuking all of our allies and then assume, 'ok, they're done now, we're all good here'. I can understand your point,
The Soviet Union lost over 80000 tanks in WW2 compared to about 20000 german losses. That is a ratio of one to four.
By the way any tank turret can be shredded to pieces if you know where to hit. There are tons of videos of Russian tanks being taken out by all kinds of missiles.