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The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists

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posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
It doesn't matter if everyone scanned it.

That communication tech is designed to mask a transmission as if it were normal background radiation. It's unlikely they'd notice anything out of the ordinary.


Ohh, I love when the laws of physics have been broken defense.

Yup, sure.

Since the US has already broken the laws of physics, what is the purpose of a secret military base? There is none. Being the only power that has broken the laws of physics, there is no threat the mere mortal rest of us could ever hope to mount against the gods!

Keep trying.

Edit to add: You forgot a little tidbit about reality in your communication description. Something that we absolutely know happens, and something that can not be over come without a very necessary and noticeable EM reading. When you get it figured out, you will understand why it is necessary.
edit on 29-3-2018 by peck420 because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
This famous photo is also a good candidate, though I cannot confirm if it's a legit pic or not.



This is from a 1955 Disney presentation called Man and the Moon
it can be found at the 45:20 mark...

What is strange is as the astronauts pick up a strange signal coming from the surface, they launch flares and when these obvious structures show up the astronauts only peer silently down on them...

One of Disney's more interesting presentations for sure!
edit on pmbAmerica/ChicagovAmerica/ChicagoThu, 29 Mar 2018 16:32:07 -0500pm4America/Chicago by abeverage because: wrong link



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

Please see my above post about the Disney presentation Man and the Moon



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 04:41 PM
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Well, thank you for a top quality presentation. I am digging in.

I am certain we never just stopped going to the moon. Once the requisite thinktanks had their say this all went blacker than the Utah sky.

👌



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: muzzleflash

Name one facility that was operational in the USA in the last twenty years that had the capability to produce rockets with the fuel capacity to get loads to and from the moon? Much less produce rockets at the rate to maintain a supply chain for a moon base.

List evidence that rocket fuel is being manufactured at a rate that would support material being sent to the moon to support construction.

How are communications from the moon handled? Any broadcast from the moon would stick out like a lighthouse.

And you have to get past the mentioned meteorites, the moon is under constant surveillance by numerous countries.

And you have to get passed the mentioned it’s cheaper to use automation and low orbit. Any manned mission to the moon is a whole magnitude more expensive than using an automated mission.

No, there is no evidence there is a man moon base.

You have only offered fantasy and innuendo. You have not given even any evidence of a current production rocket that would have the fuel capacity to aid in the building and supplying of a manned moon based.

Do they build the rockets in bits, ship them to a large sea platform, and assembly the rockets there? How to they get the liquid oxygen and hydrogen there?

Ships full liquid oxygen and hydrogen seems problematic?

Your thread is killed by reality of needed resources, man power, and economics.



room.eu.com...

Almost half a century has passed since man first visited the Moon. However, most projects for creating humanity’s outpost on the Moon never made it past the drawing board due to their expensive implementation. In a 2009 study, the Center for Strategic and International Studies suggested a lunar base would cost $35 billion to construct and $7.35 billion a year to maintain. It is clear therefore that until the cost of space access is lowered the situation with building a base on the Moon is unlikely to change.




www.google.com...

The Saturn V rocket’s first stage carries 203,400 gallons (770,000 liters) of kerosene fuel and 318,000 gallons (1.2 million liters) of liquid oxygen needed for combustion. At liftoff, the stage’s five F-1 rocket engines ignite and produce 7.5 million pounds of thrust.

Break

The second stage carries 260,000 gallons (984,000 liters) of liquid hydrogen fuel and 80,000 gallons (303,000 liters) of liquid oxygen.

Break

The third stage carries 66,700 gallons (252,750 liters) of liquid hydrogen fuel and 19,359 gallons (73,280 liters) of liquid oxygen.




All that fuel for this payload?



en.m.wikipedia.org...

As of 2018, the Saturn V remains the tallest, heaviest, and most powerful (highest total impulse) rocket ever brought to operational status, and holds records for the heaviest payload launched and largest payload capacity to low Earth orbit (LEO) of 140,000 kg (310,000 lb), which included the third stage and unburned propellant needed to send the Apollo Command/Service Module and Lunar Module to the Moon.[5][6]


Please give an estimate of how many Saturn rockets it would take to build your imagined moon base?


Debunk the dark side of the moon is populated by unicorns.
assuming the real(secret) space program still uses rocket fuel and rockets.
edit on 08/022017 by MantheDevilsApe because: incorrect link



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: MantheDevilsApe

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: muzzleflash

Name one facility that was operational in the USA in the last twenty years that had the capability to produce rockets with the fuel capacity to get loads to and from the moon? Much less produce rockets at the rate to maintain a supply chain for a moon base.

List evidence that rocket fuel is being manufactured at a rate that would support material being sent to the moon to support construction.

How are communications from the moon handled? Any broadcast from the moon would stick out like a lighthouse.

And you have to get past the mentioned meteorites, the moon is under constant surveillance by numerous countries.

And you have to get passed the mentioned it’s cheaper to use automation and low orbit. Any manned mission to the moon is a whole magnitude more expensive than using an automated mission.

No, there is no evidence there is a man moon base.

You have only offered fantasy and innuendo. You have not given even any evidence of a current production rocket that would have the fuel capacity to aid in the building and supplying of a manned moon based.

Do they build the rockets in bits, ship them to a large sea platform, and assembly the rockets there? How to they get the liquid oxygen and hydrogen there?

Ships full liquid oxygen and hydrogen seems problematic?

Your thread is killed by reality of needed resources, man power, and economics.



room.eu.com...

Almost half a century has passed since man first visited the Moon. However, most projects for creating humanity’s outpost on the Moon never made it past the drawing board due to their expensive implementation. In a 2009 study, the Center for Strategic and International Studies suggested a lunar base would cost $35 billion to construct and $7.35 billion a year to maintain. It is clear therefore that until the cost of space access is lowered the situation with building a base on the Moon is unlikely to change.




www.google.com...

The Saturn V rocket’s first stage carries 203,400 gallons (770,000 liters) of kerosene fuel and 318,000 gallons (1.2 million liters) of liquid oxygen needed for combustion. At liftoff, the stage’s five F-1 rocket engines ignite and produce 7.5 million pounds of thrust.

Break

The second stage carries 260,000 gallons (984,000 liters) of liquid hydrogen fuel and 80,000 gallons (303,000 liters) of liquid oxygen.

Break

The third stage carries 66,700 gallons (252,750 liters) of liquid hydrogen fuel and 19,359 gallons (73,280 liters) of liquid oxygen.




All that fuel for this payload?



en.m.wikipedia.org...

As of 2018, the Saturn V remains the tallest, heaviest, and most powerful (highest total impulse) rocket ever brought to operational status, and holds records for the heaviest payload launched and largest payload capacity to low Earth orbit (LEO) of 140,000 kg (310,000 lb), which included the third stage and unburned propellant needed to send the Apollo Command/Service Module and Lunar Module to the Moon.[5][6]


Please give an estimate of how many Saturn rockets it would take to build your imagined moon base?


Debunk the dark side of the moon is populated by unicorns.
assuming the real(secret) space program still uses rocket fuel and rockets.
www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-fut uristic-em-drive/



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: MantheDevilsApe

originally posted by: MantheDevilsApe

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: muzzleflash

Name one facility that was operational in the USA in the last twenty years that had the capability to produce rockets with the fuel capacity to get loads to and from the moon? Much less produce rockets at the rate to maintain a supply chain for a moon base.

List evidence that rocket fuel is being manufactured at a rate that would support material being sent to the moon to support construction.

How are communications from the moon handled? Any broadcast from the moon would stick out like a lighthouse.

And you have to get past the mentioned meteorites, the moon is under constant surveillance by numerous countries.

And you have to get passed the mentioned it’s cheaper to use automation and low orbit. Any manned mission to the moon is a whole magnitude more expensive than using an automated mission.

No, there is no evidence there is a man moon base.

You have only offered fantasy and innuendo. You have not given even any evidence of a current production rocket that would have the fuel capacity to aid in the building and supplying of a manned moon based.

Do they build the rockets in bits, ship them to a large sea platform, and assembly the rockets there? How to they get the liquid oxygen and hydrogen there?

Ships full liquid oxygen and hydrogen seems problematic?

Your thread is killed by reality of needed resources, man power, and economics.



room.eu.com...

Almost half a century has passed since man first visited the Moon. However, most projects for creating humanity’s outpost on the Moon never made it past the drawing board due to their expensive implementation. In a 2009 study, the Center for Strategic and International Studies suggested a lunar base would cost $35 billion to construct and $7.35 billion a year to maintain. It is clear therefore that until the cost of space access is lowered the situation with building a base on the Moon is unlikely to change.




www.google.com...

The Saturn V rocket’s first stage carries 203,400 gallons (770,000 liters) of kerosene fuel and 318,000 gallons (1.2 million liters) of liquid oxygen needed for combustion. At liftoff, the stage’s five F-1 rocket engines ignite and produce 7.5 million pounds of thrust.

Break

The second stage carries 260,000 gallons (984,000 liters) of liquid hydrogen fuel and 80,000 gallons (303,000 liters) of liquid oxygen.

Break

The third stage carries 66,700 gallons (252,750 liters) of liquid hydrogen fuel and 19,359 gallons (73,280 liters) of liquid oxygen.




All that fuel for this payload?



en.m.wikipedia.org...

As of 2018, the Saturn V remains the tallest, heaviest, and most powerful (highest total impulse) rocket ever brought to operational status, and holds records for the heaviest payload launched and largest payload capacity to low Earth orbit (LEO) of 140,000 kg (310,000 lb), which included the third stage and unburned propellant needed to send the Apollo Command/Service Module and Lunar Module to the Moon.[5][6]


Please give an estimate of how many Saturn rockets it would take to build your imagined moon base?


Debunk the dark side of the moon is populated by unicorns.
assuming the real(secret) space program still uses rocket fuel and rockets.
www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-fut uristic-em-drive/
most likely, they had this tech 40 years ago. there goes our missing 21 trillion $$ lol



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash


Quality content.


It was NASA who invented the term "The Moon Landing Conspiracy".

edit on 29-3-2018 by mekhanics because: (no reason given)


Dae

posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 05:16 PM
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If this moon base is anywhere, then I'm reckoning it's in that bright spot on the below map!



The map shows "the ratio between the incident solar wind flux and the flux which is deflected away from the lunar surface."

You can find more info here, "Strong influence of lunar crustal fields on the solar wind flow" agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com...



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 05:30 PM
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but if they had a secret moon base that was permanently manned...
. they wouldn't have to go up to the moon to get the dna, the people on the secret moon base qould shoot it down to us!



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 05:30 PM
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There are no moon bases, if there were someone could post more than wikipedia links.

As far as communication, if there were - it's a trivial matter to communicate with them compared to the whole undertaking. The moon relay project made bouncing signals off the moon a reality in the 50's, receiving something from the moon using an untraceable method in the modern age is not even hard to do I would imagine given the budget.
edit on 29-3-2018 by circuitsports because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: neutronflux

well if they didnt notice the US government trafficking arms all over the world and selling coc aine back into the states then why would they bat an eyelid at them buying up kerosene !

never mind the fact they could just make it themselves


As far as I can tell the only way anyone ever seems to notice anything the government does is if the Mainstream Media (and to a much lesser extent, the alternative media) covers it and keeps talking about it. If the media isn't covering it, it's essentially ignored for the most part.


Lest start simple. How is the military communicating to and from the dark side of the moon unnoticed?
how many satellites does the military have up there? and how advanced are they? none of us down here know. If we don't know that, how the hell are we supposed to know how they communicate lol?



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 06:11 PM
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Need to use the info from conspiracy discussion, etc:

- Propellant - anti gravity
- Communication - remote viewers at both ends
- Unseen ships - cloaking
- moon oxygen - breakdown lunar rocks

I suppose food is still a resupply item unless they are eating the aliens from the far side.

All and all, I lean toward no moon base. After all, isn't the word on the street that human were told to leave and not come back.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

Except for an especially strange source of radiation from the moon with irregular data structures. And how is this form of communication ever going to have the through put to transmit weather reports, radar data, the position of space junk, intel data, and basic communications import to justifying a moon base on the moon? Keep digging your logic hole.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 06:18 PM
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a reply to: MantheDevilsApe

Nice link to a launch station that would require about 5 Saturn rocket payloads to build. A structure that would be as bright as the international space station in the night sky. A launch platform that would be obvious if it existed. An obstacle to other countries rocket programs. And the shuttle would still be spotted going to and from the moon. And how would the shuttle lift off from the moon? Or another space platform? A platform that would be a hindrance to other countries exploration of the moon?



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: MantheDevilsApe

If I was launching a satellite, I would like to know if my rocket would run into anything.



www.n2yo.com...

Exact matches only. The Satellite Catalog Number (also known as NORAD Catalog Number, NASA catalog number, USSPACECOM object number or simply Catalog number and similar variants) is a sequential 5-digit number assigned by USSPACECOM to all Earth orbiting satellites in order of identification. Before USSPACECOM, the catalog was maintained by NORAD. The first catalogued object, catalog number 00001, is the Sputnik 1 launch vehicle. (Wikipedia)
e.g. enter 28485 for Swift


Funny the link claims all earth orbiting satellites? Countries don’t track rocket launches? Satellite deployment?



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: MantheDevilsApe

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: muzzleflash

Name one facility that was operational in the USA in the last twenty years that had the capability to produce rockets with the fuel capacity to get loads to and from the moon? Much less produce rockets at the rate to maintain a supply chain for a moon base.

List evidence that rocket fuel is being manufactured at a rate that would support material being sent to the moon to support construction.

How are communications from the moon handled? Any broadcast from the moon would stick out like a lighthouse.

And you have to get past the mentioned meteorites, the moon is under constant surveillance by numerous countries.

And you have to get passed the mentioned it’s cheaper to use automation and low orbit. Any manned mission to the moon is a whole magnitude more expensive than using an automated mission.

No, there is no evidence there is a man moon base.

You have only offered fantasy and innuendo. You have not given even any evidence of a current production rocket that would have the fuel capacity to aid in the building and supplying of a manned moon based.

Do they build the rockets in bits, ship them to a large sea platform, and assembly the rockets there? How to they get the liquid oxygen and hydrogen there?

Ships full liquid oxygen and hydrogen seems problematic?

Your thread is killed by reality of needed resources, man power, and economics.



room.eu.com...

Almost half a century has passed since man first visited the Moon. However, most projects for creating humanity’s outpost on the Moon never made it past the drawing board due to their expensive implementation. In a 2009 study, the Center for Strategic and International Studies suggested a lunar base would cost $35 billion to construct and $7.35 billion a year to maintain. It is clear therefore that until the cost of space access is lowered the situation with building a base on the Moon is unlikely to change.




www.google.com...

The Saturn V rocket’s first stage carries 203,400 gallons (770,000 liters) of kerosene fuel and 318,000 gallons (1.2 million liters) of liquid oxygen needed for combustion. At liftoff, the stage’s five F-1 rocket engines ignite and produce 7.5 million pounds of thrust.

Break

The second stage carries 260,000 gallons (984,000 liters) of liquid hydrogen fuel and 80,000 gallons (303,000 liters) of liquid oxygen.

Break

The third stage carries 66,700 gallons (252,750 liters) of liquid hydrogen fuel and 19,359 gallons (73,280 liters) of liquid oxygen.




All that fuel for this payload?



en.m.wikipedia.org...

As of 2018, the Saturn V remains the tallest, heaviest, and most powerful (highest total impulse) rocket ever brought to operational status, and holds records for the heaviest payload launched and largest payload capacity to low Earth orbit (LEO) of 140,000 kg (310,000 lb), which included the third stage and unburned propellant needed to send the Apollo Command/Service Module and Lunar Module to the Moon.[5][6]


Please give an estimate of how many Saturn rockets it would take to build your imagined moon base?


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posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
Need to use the info from conspiracy discussion, etc:

- Propellant - anti gravity
- Communication - remote viewers at both ends
- Unseen ships - cloaking
- moon oxygen - breakdown lunar rocks

I suppose food is still a resupply item unless they are eating the aliens from the far side.

All and all, I lean toward no moon base. After all, isn't the word on the street that human were told to leave and not come back.


Hydroponics works miracles. They did have that back then too.



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: abeverage

Thank you. I really liked that von Braun actually starred in part of it. Tyvm!



posted on Mar, 29 2018 @ 07:42 PM
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It seems Corey Goode's testimony is becoming more plausible by the day...




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