The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists

There are no bases on the moon, and if there were you would see it on the daily news, as because whichever country, nation, people did it would not be able to help themselves and not show off. It is silly to keep a thing like that secret, no matter the reasons, aliens or no aliens.

And who knows, maybe one day, many years from now, we will one day go to the moon. Or go back to the moon, whichever you all prefer. However sending a human to the moon or a base of them would be tantamount to signing up for slow suicide, so would any mission to Mars as well.

From all that I have seen, lets just say we do not have the technology. And in fact we may not even have the technology to teraform that desert outside some few miles out of any town and city on the face of this planet, much less try to teraform Mars or build basses on the moon.

#! You turn off the water to places like Las Vegas and everybody there will be dead in a week. So ya! basses on the moon, may be manifold much more harder project then turning a desert into a oasis for any sustainable period of time, and I am not even factoring in the free oxygen you all get to breath here on planet earth.

You all may have not noticed but humans or any biological animal really really does not do well outside there ecosystems. As for were all those trillion of dollars went? Were do you think it went? Some went in black budgets, sure, whatever that may mean, as it means many things to different people. But people being people, its likely it went to were it always goes, booze, whores, brand spanking new shiny cars and big houses, putting peoples kids through college, and a variety of such things. And all just to name a few.

After all your dealing with people here, and they will do what people do, and have done for literally centuries, that self interest is a key factor in everything people do. In fact that is a more scientific and concrete fact backed by literally hundreds of thousands of years of data, ever since man and woman climbed out of those caves. Then all the rest I have seen on this thread by far.

So! Now that is out of the way.

Maybe one day we will go to the moon. Then we shall see. Till then, sure does make for one cool story bro.

If albeit a bit fanciful.

a reply to: neutronflux

They do a pretty good job at Dulce keeping all those black projects a secret!

No country would keep that secret they would tell everyone. Since bragging rights are half the reason to do it in the first place. Why do you think China wants to go to the moon? The only reason is to show everyone they can do anything the US can do.

originally posted by: myss427
a reply to: neutronflux

They do a pretty good job at Dulce keeping all those black projects a secret!

NASA employed roughly 400,000 people to develop the Apollo program to put six 36,000 pound payloads on the moon.

Name a black project in which every aspect was keep secret, and was the size of the Apollo mission or the Skylab mission.

Yes, small teams and their missions to infiltrate an enemy compound or city are kept secret.

Yet, a vast majority of their equipment and transportation is known to exist. The bases they operate from are usually know military instillations.

The launch dates that place secret satellites in orbit are usually witnessed, and other countries know the satellites position. It’s only the purpose of a satellite that is mostly secret.

The development of the lunar rover, a 500 pound vehicle, used up to 7,000 people to develop. Today’s cost, it would have a price tag of 18 million dollars.

For the moon base, think about the research needed for its construction equipment. For it’s implied tunnels and landing strips to be built for the implied shuttles?

The design and research into tunneling and excavating equipment that could handle the job in an oxygen free atmosphere. Did they launch rocket often rocket with bottled oxygen so modified gasoline engines could be used? With rocket after rocket loaded with gas? Or was the first thing landed on the moon a nuclear power-plant, and set up on the surface? A landing site easily seen, and hard to hide.

And that is not even getting into the logistics of getting the equipment secretly to the moon? Or the size and cost of the reactor designed to be used on the moon?

Would you like to address:

How is the base, it’s reactors, it’s power sources, the piles of excavated dirt from tunneling, it’s landing pads, and the needed runways for the implied shuttles not detected by the different and numerous international missions to map and study the moon through radar, photographing, radiation, inferred, and ultraviolet detection? Year after year, decade after decade?

I was thinking about the excavation of the lunar surface? The moon has less gravity, but the hardness of minerals would be about the same as earth? Yes, the lunar surface is not as compact, not as dense. But the moon is basically a cooled molten piece of earth? Wouldn’t any working of the lunar surface cause huge dust clouds? As in creating landing strips for shuttles, and making level foundations for surface structures? Creating berms to shield personal from nuclear power plants?

originally posted by: neutronflux
I Wouldn’t any working of the lunar surface cause huge dust clouds?

It probably would but since there is (almost) no atmosphere at the moon these "clouds" would go down as quickly as they rose

a reply to: Drazzl

I was trying to figure out the lack of wind, vs the ejection of created dust with low gravity? Especially anything that would be close to active grinding and breaking of lunar rock?

Found this.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

There is some evidence that the Moon may have a tenuous atmosphere of moving dust particles constantly leaping up from and falling back to the Moon's surface, giving rise to a "dust atmosphere" that looks static but is composed of dust particles in constant motion.

www.space.com...

According to this theory, moon dust particles on the daytime side of the moon can build a positive charge when radiation from the sun kicks electrons out of atoms of dust. But on the side of the moon that's dark, dust particles can gain a negative charge when they are bombarded with electrons from the solar wind. Where the dark and light sides meet, electric forces could levitate this charged dust high off the lunar surface, the researchers said.

www.spaceanswers.com...

1. You shouldn’t breathe it in. Following a lunar walk, astronaut Harrison Schmitt noted the smell of Moon dust in the air, like gunpowder. NASA pathologist Russell Kerschmann warned that prolonged exposure to Moon dust could seriously damage human lungs.

2. It wears through spacesuits. Moon dust is very abrasive and clingy. Apollo 17 astronauts had problems moving their arms properly because lunar dust had clogged up the joints, while it wore through three layers of Kevlar-like armour on Harrison Schmitt’s Moon boot.

3. It’s magnetic. Because tiny specks of iron are present in the glass shell of each lunar dust particle, magnets can be used to filter the dust out of the air and off sensitive equipment. The dust that makes up lunar soil can also be quickly microwaved into flat sheets, meaning roads and landing pads can easily be created for future missions.

a reply to: neutronflux

Hmmm that info about the dust is really interesting, thanks for linking it.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Mmm, can you cite actual physical evidence of the existence of a moon base, how large it is, how large the staff is, were the implied shuttles land, and when the speculated moon base was built?

I willl either get ignored, or I see another rant to avoid the inconvenient questions that show the improbability a secret moon base ever existed.

a reply to: neutronflux

All of them, they are all still secret, we will not be told or shown any, thats how good the Compartmentalization goes into hiding them. The only one that hit the white world and was over 10 years black was the Nighthawk, know one new anything about it. Read the aviation forums, the hints given to some projects, and how some of the guys are very afraid of leaving anything that could get them visited by the black suit guys and you expect people to just spill their guts.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: muzzleflash

Mmm, can you cite actual physical evidence of the existence of a moon base, how large it is, how large the staff is, were the implied shuttles land, and when the speculated moon base was built?

I willl either get ignored, or I see another rant to avoid the inconvenient questions that show the improbability a secret moon base ever existed.

Ok here I believe this page from the document dump tells you all you "need to know":

a reply to: neutronflux

Really the best information we have about the dust one way or another is the film of the moon rovers tooling around during the Apollo missions. Especially with the way their "tires" were engineered.

From the video I've seen, the rovers spit pretty impressive amounts of dust and debris in pretty large arcs which dropped really quickly.

The thing I'd be more concerned about with excavation equipment and especially drilling and boring gear is how the hell do you keep the cutting heads etc intact and reasonably cool without cutting fluid?

You'd rip the hell out of your cutting heads, especially because moon soil is made of some pretty abrasive stuff from what I remember.

Not to mention you'd heat the heads up crazy bad which would make the existing factors even worse.

And cutters weigh a bunch

a reply to: muzzleflash

You know how you can tell when a conspiracists is full of bunk, when they avoid answering questions. Avoid debate of their obvious flaws in trying to post fantasy as fact. They only produce a feasibility studies as evidence. With the only cited physical evidenced exsposed as a hoax.

Start small again....

If there is an active secret moon base, why release the documents?

You started this post with numerous pictures of shuttles that would require landing strips on the moon. If visiting craft to the base didn’t use a landingstrip, did they leave bases behind like the original moon landers. Does the visiting rockets use a landing pad. Or the pads covered by doors that would require extensive equipment, and their construction would leave noticeable tracks in the lunar soil. The building of the doors would resulting in mounds of excavated moon soil and rock? Or do the rockets just land, and take off from the moon surface with no landing pads? That would still result in obvious patterns in the lunar soil. Patterns that would be noticed, and documented over time by the various photographeing missions to the moon.

Bottom line, the landing strips, the landing pads, the disturbance of the lunar soil from construction, or the left behind landing modules would be discovered by the international efforts to photograph and document how the lunar surface changes over time.

Is that a false premise?

And that is just one of the glaring flaws in you stating “The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists”

Again, the simplest explanation why there has never been physical evidence of a secret moon base exsposed by the various probes sent to the moon to study the moon with photography, radar, infrared photography, ultraviolet photography, radiation studies, It doesn’t exist!

Japan can find a cave? But no evidence of a secret moon base?

www.engadget.com...

Japan's Selenological and Engineering Explorer (Selene) probe discovered a 50-meter wide by 50-meter deep opening underneath the Marius Hills region using a radar system designed to peer underground.

Just another nail in the coffin to the SPECULATION and INNUENDO of a secret moon base.

a reply to: roguetechie

You could use cutting fluid. But that would be costly to rocket to the moon? And you would still need a way to capture the fluid, filter out the dust, and have the equipment to cool it to make it even feasible?

Could dry-ice blasting be used to cut room sized underground work and sleeping areas?

a reply to: roguetechie

I guess explosives would give you the most bang for the buck?

Just FYI for prospect... and context of hiding a base on the moon.

www.space.com...

The moon's surface area is about 14.6 million square miles (38 million square kilometers), which is less than the total surface area of the continent of Asia (17.2 million square miles or 44.5 million square km).

Africa is About 11 million square miles.

The moon base seems a bit out of a sci-fi movie. However, so was flat tvs , flat computers hi speed internet, gps among many other discoveries a work of fiction 20 or so years ago. Thirty years before that color tvs and radios before that and airplanes and cars and electricity before that.

Conspiracy theorist were made fun of for years for claiming mah bell or big brother was listening, but today you a fool for not believing. Ive heard theories of moon bases and aliens running us off the moon either way i will not make fun unless its proven otherwise by someone other than mah bell or big brother.

originally posted by: Saiker
The moon base seems a bit out of a sci-fi movie. However, so was flat tvs , flat computers hi speed internet, gps among many other discoveries a work of fiction 20 or so years ago. Thirty years before that color tvs and radios before that and airplanes and cars and electricity before that.

Conspiracy theorist were made fun of for years for claiming mah bell or big brother was listening, but today you a fool for not believing. Ive heard theories of moon bases and aliens running us off the moon either way i will not make fun unless its proven otherwise by someone other than mah bell or big brother.

Cite a source where a majority of people didn’t take their privacy seriously, and were concerned with the possibility “mah bell or big brother was listening,”

Something about the bill of rights? Orwell’s book 1984 was published in 1949, and taken as a dire warning?

If you want to talk conspiracy... Flat earth theory, no jets hit the twin towers, rods, Bigfoot, the world is ran by reptiles, hollow earth theory, hollow moon theory, all the moon landing were staged? Hmmm

Which conspiracy theory is true then? That the radiation in space will killed men in a few hours, and man has never been to the moon? Or some how trips to the moon have gone undetected by international space monitoring that can find and track objects the size of basketballs? A moon base has gone undetected for decades by mission after mission to photograph and map the surface of the moon using photographs, radar, infrared, and ultraviolet?

a reply to: Saiker

Just another fun fact, I grew up with the term “Big brother is listening”.....

a reply to: Sublimecraft

If there is one thing i have learned on this earth, it is that anything is possible.