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David Hogg evading Debate challenge from fellow Parkland student

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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: olaru12



By cutting spending starting with the military.


I don't think that's possible now that the military has been tasked with paying for "the wall"

www.cnn.com...

I wonder if the military will somehow force the Mexicans to pony up their share.
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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: face23785

The less power the government has over us the better.


That's why we need to counter the loud voices right now calling to restrict us.


I don't think it's the kids we need to worry about though.
It's those in government that we need to watch.

Like I said before , so far trump is the only person who has taken anything from us, that's where we should focus.
On him and the congress.
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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

off topic but yeah....the wall. Any conservative worth their salt should be disgusted at what that wall is going to do to the debt.

Maybe that's way he signed that omnibus bill? So that the military could fund it....such a waste of money.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Lab4Us

He is just a silly old man with no power. No one is cares what he has to say except those that want to use his words to label an entire group.


I certainly take your point on this, however the scary part is about one-third of surveyed Democrats want the 2nd repealed. Even a small percentage of Republicans said repeal the 2nd.

Source

That's why we need to counter the loud voices right now calling to restrict us.


By attacking a teenager who dared to share his opinion? Yeah no wonder we cant have serious conversations even grown ups act like kids.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: olaru12

Payed for with tax money.

Not by raising taxes but by spending tax money more efficiently.

By cutting spending starting with the military.


I hate to get off topic here, so I'm only going to make one post about this, but the US doesn't spend an abnormal amount of the budget on the military compared to other countries. I know you didn't say we spent an abnormal amount. I'm just throwing some information out there for people.

On a straight dollar for dollar comparison, we spend much more than the next country, certainly. That's partly because we also have the largest economy in the world. It really makes no sense to make direct dollar comparisons between countries that have different size economies. When you go with a more sensible metric, like percentage of GDP, per capita, or percentage of federal budget, you'll find the US doesn't top any of those lists in defense spending.

If you're already aware of this, feel free to disregard, but I'm putting the info out there for others as well.

This database is on percentage of budget now, but on the right you'll find links for percent of GDP and other metrics.

Per capita



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 06:53 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Lab4Us

He is just a silly old man with no power. No one is cares what he has to say except those that want to use his words to label an entire group.


I certainly take your point on this, however the scary part is about one-third of surveyed Democrats want the 2nd repealed. Even a small percentage of Republicans said repeal the 2nd.

Source

That's why we need to counter the loud voices right now calling to restrict us.


By attacking a teenager who dared to share his opinion? Yeah no wonder we cant have serious conversations even grown ups act like kids.


Depends how you're "attacking" him. If you're attacking the flaws in his logic or the flat out incorrect things he says at times, that's fair game. He's made himself a public figure, he's not immune to criticism. Calling him Hitler is a bit much though, I'll agree to that.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: olaru12



By cutting spending starting with the military.


I don't think that's possible now that the military has been tasked with paying for "the wall"

www.cnn.com...

I wonder if the military will somehow force the Mexicans to pony up their share.


This reminds me of a joke Rich Vos used to use, he said the way to solve illegal immigration was to make all the illegals enlist in the military, then we invade Mexico and don't have an exit strategy.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Honestly we wouldn't have to cut anything if we spent the money more wisely.
If there was an accounting for each dollar spent.

I bet all of us dems, repubs and everything in between would be ready to march on washington if we found out how our tax dollars where really being spent.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: face23785

lol.


But really though, i wonder why we don't just bring mexico into the fold?

Make them a new state.

I will admit I am ignorant to how that would be done or if it's even possible though. Just seems like a good fix to the problem.
I mean texas used to be part of mexico and we integrated it with no problem.

edit: I like the mexican people . their culture is interesting and their women are hot.
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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:06 PM
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we are way off topic but whatever.lol

I wonder what would cost more , making mexico a state or building a wall?



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian



I gotta say, I find the fear and hatred a bunch of high school students can engender among adults on the right by merely expressing their opinions to be pretty sad.


I would agree with this if it read something like:

I gotta say, I find the fear/hatred and/or fawning-over/showcasing a bunch of high school students can engender among adults by merely expressing their opinions to be pretty sad.

Why are people so crazy excited when they think they have discovered a new, fellow traveler? Or a new, philosophical opponent? These are kids. They are prone to changing their minds quite regularly.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: face23785

Honestly we wouldn't have to cut anything if we spent the money more wisely.
If there was an accounting for each dollar spent.

I bet all of us dems, repubs and everything in between would be ready to march on washington if we found out how our tax dollars where really being spent.



I can certainly agree with that. There is waste all over the government. That's kind of the nature of government though. Every time you add someone to do "oversight" to cut down on waste, you grow the bureaucracy, which makes it cost more. That's why I'm a small government guy. Just about anything you ask the government to do, it's going to take longer, be more expensive, and have more problems than if you just let private sector do it.

For example with the VA, we could save money by cutting that giant bureaucratic agency and just paying for vets to see private doctors. You'd still need to have a VA, but it could be much smaller. And as a vet, I'd personally rather be seeing a private doctor. The amount of hoops I have to jump through dealing with the VA is ridiculous, even with the "improvements" they've made recently.

For example, the Choice program was billed as a solution to the wait lists and problems with delayed access to care. Two of the key parts are a 30-day rule and a 40-mile rule. Basically, the way they sold it was if VA can't get you an appointment within 30 days, they authorize you to see a private doctor at no charge to you so you can get care in a timely manner. However, there's still a loophole in it. It's not within 30 days of when you call to make an appointment, it's within 30 days of when they determine you need an appointment. So, if I call tomorrow (March 29th) for an appointment and one isn't available until May 10th, they can just say I don't need an appointment until April 15th, and May 10th is within 30 days of that so they're complying with the program. I don't get authorization to see a private doctor and I have to wait over 40 days for an appointment. They're essentially still using wait lists, they just changed the way they're using them.

There's also a loophole in the 40-mile rule. In theory, it's so vets don't have to drive more than 40 miles to get care. However, that's only for primary care. I have to see a specialist on an ongoing basis due to conditions I developed during my service, but the closest VA facility that has that specialist is over 100 miles from me, one way. But because it's not primary care, I don't qualify for authorization to just see a private specialist that is closer and they expect me to drive that 100+ miles there and 100+ miles home for every appointment. I've written my Congressmen about this.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Lab4Us

He is just a silly old man with no power. No one is cares what he has to say except those that want to use his words to label an entire group.


I certainly take your point on this, however the scary part is about one-third of surveyed Democrats want the 2nd repealed. Even a small percentage of Republicans said repeal the 2nd.

Source

That's why we need to counter the loud voices right now calling to restrict us.


By attacking a teenager who dared to share his opinion? Yeah no wonder we cant have serious conversations even grown ups act like kids.


Depends how you're "attacking" him. If you're attacking the flaws in his logic or the flat out incorrect things he says at times, that's fair game. He's made himself a public figure, he's not immune to criticism. Calling him Hitler is a bit much though, I'll agree to that.


Agreed on he is not Hitler. He is, however, being used and defended as Hitler did to become what he (Hitler) became:

From Mein Kamph

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

― Adolf Hitler



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Back to the topic of this thread. Why doesn't he debate? ,or your question. Why won't I debate?

There is no debate on gun control. Waste of time. There will be diddling around the edges of gun laws but no real control.

So, why debate it?

The thing is there are kids dying, you can claim it's a media conspiracy, whatever. These kids are pushed to the point where they feel a protests is there only option. I hear ideas that it's mental illness, poor parenting, or lack of GOD whoever that might be. But, no solution.

So the question is...What is the solution?

Put on your tin foil thinking caps and what we are left with is............maybe I'll make a thread sometime but not today.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Hate hearing about stuff like that. If there is one group of people that our government should be taking care of it's the vets.

My dad was a vet and so is my sister.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: villagesmithie

I don't think there is a solution.

Kids are going to be killed no mater what we do.
You can not stop humans from killing other humans if that's what they want to do.

I promise there isn't a law that can stop me from killing someone if that's what I really wanted to do.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: scraedtosleep

Big brother could stop you. Just say'n. That's the option we will be left with.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: villagesmithie

Not even a police state could stop me if I put my mind to it.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

No doubt about it, and those differences can certainly make any concerted discussion difficult. You're absolutely right that one side uses emotions while the other uses logical reasoning. In this case, that is detrimental but there are certainly some instances where thinking of things from a human/emotional perspective is beneficial too.

Of course if we were looking at a sampling of ATS members only, I think a lot have figured out how to incorporate both principles into how they explore/explain the world and events. I've found a good number of our liberally minded colleagues here generally choose not to shy away from scholarly debate and am of course thankful for that

I just wish the ones who don't would just take a few minutes to compare our crime rates with countries that have strict gun control and see that something other than firearms is most likely driving violent crime


Antediluvian can debate among the best I've seen


Seconded!
I have a lot of (hopefully mutual!) respect for Antediluvian and a myriad of lefties here. The fact they come to a right-leaning place like ATS to debate/discuss with all of us says just as much about them IMO


Anyway...i hope Hogg steps up. I don't expect him to. The bald chick, however...i could see her having the moxy to do it.


I do too, I would at least respect him and his POV despite generally disagreeing with it (although not entirely). Emma Gonzalez, however, I could see accepting a debate challenge. She seems like a strong person with a pretty level head, and I'd really like to hear more from her than Hogg



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 08:18 PM
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I'm not talking about stopping you in the act I'm talking about stopping you before you have the chance. A few algorithms. A lot of people weren't to upset about Facebook's latest. If your using a phone, computer, smart TV, credit card, loyalty card, there are cameras popping up all over, face recognition. Your already being track for marketing. It's a short step. People are more concerned about their gun rights then privacy. Hell people pushing for picture ID, national ID, records for everything.



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