How come liberals don't want to talk about mental health in relation to school shootings?

originally posted by: intrepid
Who says they don't? I've seen it discussed here and the libs were involved in the conversation. This is pretty inflammatory and incorrect imo.

It's buck stupid more than anything else, and by the look of the known warriors, just an excuse to add more labels in demonising...I swear some of these guys are flat-earthers as well...and at least one lives on the flip side!

But I'm not even taking it that far. It's, why can't a liberal or a democrat even talk about mental health. It's just not happening. or Bullying. It's not happening.

Personally, as a 2nd supporter and gun owner...I don't know about liberal as I think Ive been relegated to the PLY [people like you] designation.

But I definitely think a look at the mental health of gun owners needs to be scrutinized. Especially Drunk drivers and spousal abusers.

1. If you can't even responsibly drive a car, you have no business with a deadly weapon or a drivers license.

2 If you beat your spouse...here's the reason...www.newsweek.com...

3. I'm also for a three day waiting period so the cops can run a background check on you.

4. If you have ever been institutionalized for a violent crime...no gun! Even if it was a misdemeanor.

5. Even made violent threats to another person. no gun!

6. Compulsory NRA train or designated firearms trainer, trained to spot nutjobs.



But to show my confidence, I gave my lady a sweet little Glock 43 for valentines day...Just a hopeless romantic I guess.

a reply to: ketsuko

I totally agree, and thought that's what I said.

So I guess the conservative point of view is now mental health checks before purchasing any firearm, along with a drug test.

But no background check?

Oh, and I own guns.

a reply to: amazing

I think it's because if they talk about mental health, then they must talk about mental health treatment, and if they talk about mental health treatment then they must talk about the psychiatric drugs being handed out like candy with little to no appropriate supervision or monitoring for adverse effects, such as suicidal and homicidal ideation. In other words, Big Pharma.

And, of course, in accordance with Alinsky's Rules, they want to focus like a laser on their issue of choice: gun control.

Come on liberals. Where's the mental health aspect? Not mental health background checks.

But anti bullying, more school councelors, early intervention to at risk youth, more mental health resources to schools, Public service announcements about mental health, Anything? I hear crickets.

originally posted by: amazing
Come on liberals. Where's the mental health aspect? Not mental health background checks.

But anti bullying, more school councelors, early intervention to at risk youth, more mental health resources to schools, Public service announcements about mental health, Anything? I hear crickets.

Those are all first class requirements. Also anyone that brags on social media about how tough and well armed they are needs to be checked out by the authorities. Prevention is always preferable to a funeral....

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: amazing
Come on liberals. Where's the mental health aspect? Not mental health background checks.

But anti bullying, more school councelors, early intervention to at risk youth, more mental health resources to schools, Public service announcements about mental health, Anything? I hear crickets.

Those are all first class requirements.

Thats what I thought.

a reply to: amazing

You can start with the President for the anti-bullying. Isn't Melania working on that?

Every School in my district has a school counselor.

Early intervention. We have things like big brother/sister. Why not volunteer.

Some of us are doing the work. Some of us foster kids. All this helps. Maybe we just need more help from those who don't.

And let's face it. Some people just go crazy having never broken a single law. So there's that.

a reply to: amazing

My liberal friends have no problem discussing mental health in relation to gun violence.

No idea why yours don't.

a reply to: amazing

I believe mental health is as big if not a bigger issue than guns are, with relation to school shootings. Yes, the all had guns, but yes, the were also all mentally ill. And ALL of them could have been helped before they did something horrible, if the system was a functional one.

I do invite anyone in the US to investigate the Mental Health system as it is now, just to see how dysfunctional it is. I have a family member who suffers from several disorders to include Bi-polar, and depression.

If this is about saving kids, then I'm all for whatever we can come up with, if this is about taking away rights and trying to grab the guns, I'm not at all interested. But I'd really appreciate honesty when it comes to this. It would save lots of time all around.

here's an old thread.


Guns & Mental Health Debate


one posters response -

The gun grabbers would love to use "mental illness" as an excuse to dismantle the 2A.


anothers -

Who does the "vetting"?

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
a reply to: amazing

You can start with the President for the anti-bullying. Isn't Melania working on that?

Every School in my district has a school counselor.

Early intervention. We have things like big brother/sister. Why not volunteer.

Some of us are doing the work. Some of us foster kids. All this helps. Maybe we just need more help from those who don't.

And let's face it. Some people just go crazy having never broken a single law. So there's that.

And that's all good, but obviously kids are still falling through the cracks, so we need more school counselors and mental health reasources for our schools. I do work in the community every week. I have a huge focus on anti bullying in my daily job. Still, like the Parkland shooter...they knew he had problems yet he was unable to get the help he needed.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: amazing

My liberal friends have no problem discussing mental health in relation to gun violence.

No idea why yours don't.

Weird. Mine only want to talk about gun control. Not a peep about mental health.

Is the NRA on board with mental health profiles by the state prior to a firearm purchase?

I'll have to go through my old rifleman magazines and check.

Get that for free, as a lifetime member ya know.

There is only one correct way to look at the gun issues and that is to maximize freedom and minimize Government interference. I know how I interpret that and I am willing to be a little less 'safe' for more freedom.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MiddleInsite

The problems comes when we start talking about mental illness as a measure of gun control.

Most of us want better mental illness services.

though isn't it a good idea to stop someone, say with Schizophrenia from optaining a gun?

That's how it starts. Like a lot of things, you start with the obvious, but then someone else says ... but, but, this other group is only a bit less irrational then X ... and pretty soon, nearly everyone qualifies as mentally unfit.

As some have said, what if one of the criteria is having been prescribed a certain class of drugs as something to rule you out?

OK.

Well, I suffer from migraines, but have no history of mental issues at all. However, there are some classes of common drugs used for mental illness that are used in different dosage for migraine prevention, and it's not always an FDA approved usage. Migraine specialists just know it works for some patients, so they will try it and if it works keep you on it.

I've been on blood pressure drugs, anti-depressants, and anti-seizure meds without any of those primary medical problems because the medications will help with migraine.

But ruling someone in or out based on medication alone as some have proposed would likely remove me from the list.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: amazing
Come on liberals. Where's the mental health aspect? Not mental health background checks.

But anti bullying, more school councelors, early intervention to at risk youth, more mental health resources to schools, Public service announcements about mental health, Anything? I hear crickets.

Those are all first class requirements. Also anyone that brags on social media about how tough and well armed they are needs to be checked out by the authorities. Prevention is always preferable to a funeral....

you mean like this:

But to show my confidence, I gave my lady a sweet little Glock 43 for valentines day...Just a hopeless romantic I guess.

a reply to: intrepid

I agree utter Tripe it is.