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Special counsel: Manafort, Gates worked with Russian intelligence agent

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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:31 AM
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Special counsel: Manafort, Gates worked with Russian intelligence agent


Documents filed by special counsel prosecutors reveal that former Trump deputy campaign chairman Richard Gates was knowingly working with an individual with ties to Russian intelligence during the campaign, CBS News Paula Reid reports. In a late Tuesday court filing late, the special counsel alleged that this unnamed person worked for one of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's companies and was in touch with Gates in September and October 2016. This individual is also described as being "pertinent to the investigation."

www.cbsnews.com...

Bombshell Mueller court filing shows Rick Gates was knowingly in contact with a Kremlin spy


Donald Trump’s Deputy Campaign Chairman Rick Gates was in direct communication with a person he knew was a Russian spy in the weeks ahead of the 2016 election, according to court documents filed by special counsel Robert Mueller Tuesday.

The documents reveal Gates was in contact with a former officer in Russian military intelligence in the months leading up to Trump’s win.

Gates was “directly communicating in September and October 2016” with an unidentified person who “has ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016,” the filing says.

news.vice.com...

Court Documents


That Gates and Person A were directly communicating in September and October 2016 was pertinent to the investigation. Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agents assisting the Special Counsel’s Office assess that Person A has ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016. During his first interview with the Special Counsel’s Office, van der Zwaan admitted that he knew of that connection, stating that Gates told him Person A was a former Russian Intelligence Officer with the GRU

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Bottom line that in September and October 2016, Trumps Deputy Campaign Chief Rick Gates, Former Campaign Chief Paul Manafort and a Lawyer/Son-In-Law of a Kremlin Oligarch had multiple secret conversations with a former GRU intelligence officer with "ties to Russian Intelligence" and all of them lied about it to the FBI.

This is buttoned down evidence in court docs corroborated by Gates and the Lawyer.
The Lawyer had actually recorded conversations, but it is unclear if he destroyed the tapes or handed them over to Mueller.

These four, Gates, Manafort, the Lawyer/son-in-law of the Russian Oligarch and the former Russian GRU operative had worked together to doctor a fake report by the Lawyers law firm accusing the a Political Rival of Putin's Puppet in Ukraine of crimes.

She was imprisoned for years.

flashback 2011
Former Ukraine Premier Is Jailed for 7 Years
www.nytimes.com...

She has since been released and absolved of all charges. The Ukrainian government has acknowledged it was a violation of human rights and a politically motivated imprisonment.

The folks running Trump's Presidential Campaign were very bad news and communicated with and worked closely with people in Putin's crime family right up to election day, Oligarchs, Russian Intelligence, etc.

No one knows the end outcome of the Russian Investigation, it might not touch Trump personally, but the campaign leadership he surrounded himself with in 2016 was rotten to the core and had multiple secret communications with Russian and Russian associated agents.



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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

So we are back to "what did the president know and when did he know it"?


Reminds me of Nixon.

This is a bad day for our nation. Again



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Wish I could give you more than one flag.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: soberbacchus

So we are back to "what did the president know and when did he know it"?


Reminds me of Nixon.

This is a bad day for our nation. Again



POTUS is trying to build enough propaganda against Mueller and the Special Counsel Investigation where he can risk a "Friday Night Massacre".

He is hoping to provide enough cover for Congress if he does it, where they won't immediately feel forced to entertain impeachment proceedings.

It is not a strategy an innocent man chooses in my opinion.

I also think he is underestimating the public blowback. Their might be "scandal exhaustion" from the general public now that appears as apathy, but if he shuts down the Special Counsel Investigation the public blowback will be unprecedented and congress will definitely be forced to impeach or suffer their own massacre at the polls.



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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: soberbacchus

Wish I could give you more than one flag.


Long past expecting flags and stars for sharing unpopular facts on ATS.
It has become a retreat from objective reality for right wing identity-politics zealots.

Stars and flags don't correlate to veracity. They correlate to what people want to be true.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus
Trump should come clean with what he knows. People will give him the benefit of the doubt (mostly) and he can get back to work.

Spare us another national crisis like Nixon, which had effects for more than a decade.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

And the sheesh just doesn't stop hitting the fan.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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It has become a retreat from objective reality for right wing identity-politics zealots.


Flags mean a topic will be easier to see.
So far the regular crews on both sides havn't shown up.. Is it only me that assumes not just one side is extremely biased?




posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

First it was "there is no collusion"

Then "collusion is not illegal"

Then "Trump didn't have anything to do with the collusion"

And now it is down to...what?

Eventually you run out of field to move the goal post.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: soberbacchus
Trump should come clean with what he knows. People will give him the benefit of the doubt (mostly) and he can get back to work.



Agreed. He gets outed for banging Porn Stars and lying about it and the public just shrugs.
People can't really be shocked by Trump's moral bankruptcy anymore.
That makes me think that whatever he is trying to avoid in meeting with Mueller and letting the investigation conclude in a legitimate fashion is pretty serious.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: soberbacchus

First it was "there is no collusion"

Then "collusion is not illegal"

Then "Trump didn't have anything to do with the collusion"

And now it is down to...what?

Eventually you run out of field to move the goal post.


No, first it was ..No one on the Trump Campaign Team had any contacts with anyone associated with Russia..anytime...ever...



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: soberbacchus


It has become a retreat from objective reality for right wing identity-politics zealots.


Flags mean a topic will be easier to see.
So far the regular crews on both sides havn't shown up.. Is it only me that assumes not just one side is extremely biased?



Extreme bias resides on both "sides".

It is the population differential between those extremes that defines ATS as severely right leaning in recent years.

Conspiracy minded people tend to lean right (as Cambridge Analytica will happily tell you).
I tend to be the exception to the rule.


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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

I stand corrected.

Thanks.

I am sure we could add a bunch of "ahem" statements of denial to this list.

Many people are going to be hurt, and a lot of hopes and trust will sadly die.

Well, we did this a generation ago, and it looks like we have to do it again. We will pull through again.

I hope.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

This looks serious. I will really try to be polite and fair in discussing this. We owe it to each other at this point.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:08 PM
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my conspiracy mind leans left lol, but I often come off like I support Trump. The point is that both biases legitimize each other. Calling out one side makes it stronger ha..

I would let facts speak for themselves with out the troll food. We need truth to win out over all other sides. Facts legitimize truth, I hope the OP sinks in for people.
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posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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The flood gates have opened, and Trump can't even put together a competent legal team, the GOP candidates don't want his endorsement....politics is a mean game, believe me!!



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: soberbacchus
Trump should come clean with what he knows. People will give him the benefit of the doubt (mostly) and he can get back to work.

Spare us another national crisis like Nixon, which had effects for more than a decade.


This. He would make so many things work better if hed be honest about this and other affairs.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Dollars to donuts Person A is Konstantin Kilimnik, Manafort's guy in Kiev who was acting as the liaison to Oleg Deripaska's people when Manafort was trying to peddle influence to get back into the Russian oligarch's good graces.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: soberbacchus
Trump should come clean with what he knows. People will give him the benefit of the doubt (mostly) and he can get back to work.

Spare us another national crisis like Nixon, which had effects for more than a decade.


This. He would make so many things work better if hed be honest about this and other affairs.
Except you guys assume he has something to hide.

Remember, Manafort was there initially, already carrying "baggage".

Straight up calling it, nothing on Trump.

This manaforts deal.



posted on Mar, 28 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Maybe Trump should hire us as adviseres. I will work for cost (and some Big Macs for lunch).

Thanks.


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